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Old 07-02-2012, 03:19 PM   #1
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1$6M check/shove 2nd pair against loose player?

V is playing 28/7 with 4.7AF and 0%3bet over 60 hands.

First of all, should I consider AF in mtt's? If so, over how many hands is it reliable?

Second, according to stats, is V loose passive or loose aggro? I'm confused because he's more passive pre but aggro post.

Third, is check/shoving > bet/folding > check/folding?

Thanks for advice.

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $1 Buy-in (125/250 blinds, 30 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13397992

BB: 5,740 (23 bb)
UTG: 11,985 (47.9 bb)
Hero (MP): 5,264 (21.1 bb)
CO: 8,455 (33.8 bb)
BTN: 11,324 (45.3 bb)
SB: 6,335 (25.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with T T
UTG folds, Hero raises to 500, CO folds, BTN calls 500, SB folds, BB calls 250

Flop: (1,805) 4 8 Q (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets 1,000, BB folds, Hero raises to 4,734 and is all-in
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Old 07-02-2012, 08:12 PM   #2
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Re: 1$6M check/shove 2nd pair against loose player?

AF is one of the more important stats. your villain here is an aggrofish post and loose/passive pf.


bet flop and c/c turn and river. c/shoving on him is horrible why do you want to take away his bluffs?
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Old 07-03-2012, 01:21 AM   #3
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Re: 1$6M check/shove 2nd pair against loose player?

I think my biggest mistake here was not to cbet.

I shoved to take it down on the flop as I thought my hand was too vulnerable to play oop.

Let say I cbet, is bet/folding best option on the flop? Or do you still consider bet/calling?
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Old 07-03-2012, 05:57 AM   #4
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Re: 1$6M check/shove 2nd pair against loose player?

depends on how bad/volatile he is.
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Old 07-03-2012, 09:49 AM   #5
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Re: 1$6M check/shove 2nd pair against loose player?

AF is pretty important, but def not smtg to be too focused on.

anyway, 60 hands is way too little a sample to take AF under consideration with any kind of confidence. I would consider at least 200+ hands to be a somewhat reliable sample.

maybe your sample is just too small. maybe you've just played with villain in the beginning of tourneys, and he likes to see a lot of cheap flops on the low blinds, but plays aggressively post flop. maybe he's passive post flop also, and like I mentioned, the sample is just too small.

as for the hand, cbet the flop, c/c turn and c/f river.
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Old 07-03-2012, 10:22 AM   #6
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Re: 1$6M check/shove 2nd pair against loose player?

AF of 4+ with a villain who has obviously seen alot of flops IS significant enough to draw conclusions from
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Re: 1$6M check/shove 2nd pair against loose player?

17 hands is a lot to draw from AF-wise???
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Old 07-03-2012, 12:49 PM   #8
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Re: 1$6M check/shove 2nd pair against loose player?

yes because someone who is 4AF over 17 postflop situations is definitely not a passive fish. Unless he flopped huge and raised/bet with it every time.
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Old 07-03-2012, 08:39 PM   #9
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Re: 1$6M check/shove 2nd pair against loose player?

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yes because someone who is 4AF over 17 postflop situations is definitely not a passive fish. Unless he flopped huge and raised/bet with it every time.
LOL

so you think 17 hands is a big enough sample to rule out a good run or a series of good spots????

ok, I'm sry, but there's nothing else I can say, other than that's wrong. you're wrong. plain and simple. and it's not my opinion. it's math. you just have a poor understanding of the concept.

and it's not even close. at all.
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