midway through a $12 45 turbo...I have been merrily shoving my way along

standard shove?
standard call?

no idea on either

Poker Stars $11+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds - 7 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

conceive (BB): t1615 M = 5.38
zagzag55 (UTG): t1655 M = 5.52
HEPPME1 (UTG+1): t2100 M = 7
tjfny (MP): t5460 M = 18.20
teta100chanc (CO): t3505 M = 11.68
BearFister (BTN): t4720 M = 15.73
Hero (SB): t2110 M = 7.03

Pre Flop: (t300) Hero is SB with 4 K
5 folds, Hero raises to t2110 all in, conceive calls t1415 all in

Flop: (t3230) J 9 6 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: (t3230) 4 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t3230) 5 (2 players - 2 are all in)

shove close to any2 there. K4s is a monster in that spot.

his call is ok then too right? just trying to sharpen feel for these spots

it really is an insta-call given how wide your range is (should be)

It's both fine if he thinks you're decent. If SB is running very nitty and clearly folding way too much when short stacked I'm prolly not calling in the BB there.

Agree with teh stro sho vs many players I'm shoving atc, vs stations it's still a wide range for only 7BB eff. K4s is unexploitable anyway.

yea I think against regs my range gets a little bit tighter cause they make the appropriate calls. But just a little bit.

his callis attrocious. you need to understand this if you are going to have a decent roi at games like this. your shove is fine if you know he is a very good player. if you know he is a bad player then your shove is questionable.

this is the spot that amazes me most in games like this and the 18s. you get guys coaching that say stuff like "k6 is well aheadof his range so you should call". that is completely wrong. its irrelevant. i mean if i was in BB with AQ and i knew you had K2 its an easy fold. sometimes you have to make metagame plays for sure v regs but in terms of $ev in that game you cost yourself money.

you can happily complete here with K4s v bad players. v good players you can also complete here sometimes and shove sometimes and standard raises sometimes. obv limping hands like AA-JJ v regs here is important to allow you to limp hands like k4s.

so in summary - your play is ok. obv its +cev. whether its +$ev depends on the bb. you dont have to shove wide from sb this early. all regs do but then you look at their rois and see single digits.

exploitable iyam.

you want that I should complete the SB here?

Now you re at the point where you give atrocious advice too.

As far as his call is concerned it depends on what range he assigns you. K-6 isn't the best calling hand, but against ATC it's a call.

PS. K-4s unexploitable shove from the SB with an M of 5.

another expert advice by norwood

wtf is this guy talking about ?

i would call with AQ from bb obv as they have a ton of worse aces and worse queens is their range. the point is if i knew they had k4 then i know calling isnt a +$ev play if you have any decent edge over the games. as i believe you are only a 60/40 fav. sure you have odds. but you bust 40% off the time. so its not apositive $expectation play. as at this point your expectation from the game is greater than your BI even with an M of 5. If you call your expectation is less than your BI.

completing would be my preference here i think. i dont mind folding or shoving or raising either. its basically a 4 way hand. as no play is massively +or - $ev unless you have some knowledge of the BB. obv i would limp AA-JJ AK etc here most of the time as otherwise you cant limp k4s.

sometimesi post and what i say can be argued either way. but ask any decent player if they think calling here with k6 is a good play by the BB and they will say no (unless they are a high volume low roi guy who makes most of their money from coaching)

Limpin' ain't easy, but it might be profitable.

Well played imo,and since we're analyzing BB's call,with which hands range would you call here if you were BB instead ?

It's just that yesterday I was in the same spot(SB got me covered),with M close to 5 and I folded K8o;and thought it was a pretty bad fold later.

lol read first paragraph and I was thinking K8ish was where I would call

you guys dont understand how to play small field flat prize structures!

It is a turbo...BB has 8BB...we limp he shoves...now we have decision...not a fun one

we should be shoving wider to balance rather than trying to balance our OOP limp range with micro stacks

completing here accomplishes nothing...we have a bad hand and awkward stacks so either we fold it or use some of our available FE...if you are folding AQ in the BB I guess we can really shove ATC

Wat.

EZ shove and I would never ever limp here!

brad - stick to 180s you are the undisputed expert at those and i have the utmost respect for you. but leave 18s and 45s to the experts at those games. as if you employed optimal strategy at an 18 or 45 in a 180 you wouldnt do very well and vice versa.

Matt...as a mod I have given you a ton of leeway...but...

you will either need to substantiate your claims or stop presenting them as factual...especially when you use them to downplay others who are respected and are willing to share their results good or bad.

No more discussing what a good player you are and how huge your ROI is and how much the rest suck unless you are willing to provide details...

controversial advice is meh but misrepresenting a level of expertise to people who may not know better is not acceptable.

Stick to strategy advice and drop the self promotion and the belittling of others...

signed and warned
the modagement

You truly are a vainglorious buffoon.

Never mind that your edge is deriving from knowing that when you have a cev edge you take it. Never mind that it's a 65-35 edge. You are under the delusion that you are going to show a bigger edge than that perhaps by playing post flop with stacks with an M of 7 and under. BAN

1000 game $12/45 challenge. Ill put $500 on it. Out your stars name and let's do it.

Lol. 0% of this being accepted tho. "1000 is too small a sample size bla bla bla"