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I heard this yesterday. Yet this is not the same thing. I still think they are wrong. But trying to eliminate all HUDs and written hand histories is a lot further than limiting the number of player categories and super complex HUDs people can deploy.

By following each other, the industry players give each other cover on this issue.

10-08-2015 , 12:18 PM

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AnimaLettire

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Ya I agree with you, will be interesting to see what stars allows upon launching in NJ. I could care less about HUDs but agree written HH need to be accessible somehow

10-14-2015 , 06:37 PM

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mystery_man

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AnimaLettire

Ya I agree with you, will be interesting to see what stars allows upon launching in NJ. I could care less about HUDs but agree written HH need to be accessible somehow

What are the possibilities?

Players could send an e-mail to the site asking for HH for specific hand #'s.
I can't think of anything else.

But that doesn't allow for players to do their own policing for collusion and cheating.
I'd like to think online poker has moved beyond cheating though.

10-15-2015 , 07:29 AM

#29

ZoePound

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Party Poker RIP

10-15-2015 , 05:34 PM

#30

ghost_of_m

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mystery_man

Pretty sure it's the opposite. No only has online poker not "moved beyond cheating," cheaters are getting more sophisticated and technologically savvy.

Even more reason to distribute the workload and allow for written downloadable hand histories. Having more players looking over them is the best deterrent and detection mechanism. Relying on just a handful of people within the company to analyze and locate anomalies is just not sufficient.

10-22-2015 , 09:14 PM

#31

Serotonins Gone

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How will this affect those of us that use Poker Tracker/Hold'em Manager to track results and earnings?

10-23-2015 , 01:36 AM

#32

Gags30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Serotonins Gone

How will this affect those of us that use Poker Tracker/Hold'em Manager to track results and earnings?

You will no longer be able to do so

10-23-2015 , 01:37 AM

#33

Gags30

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Everyone needs to be VERY vocal they this change to get rid of written hand histories does not come to party/Borgata in nj

10-23-2015 , 02:44 AM

#34

Serotonins Gone

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What a mess. I really hope they realize what a disaster this could be for the integrity of the game.

10-23-2015 , 04:27 AM

#35

pokerColette

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To clarify regarding HH - these will still be able to view within the client.
They will not be available to download and share
Players can still review their action

Thanks

Colette

10-23-2015 , 11:21 AM

#36

Serotonins Gone

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Party_Rep

To clarify regarding HH - these will still be able to view within the client.
They will not be available to download and share
Players can still review their action

Thanks

Colette

Yes, that's a problem. I use those downloadable hand histories to track my earnings for tax purposes.

Really disappointing.

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10-23-2015 , 12:21 PM

#37

zapzer

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wait is this change actually coming to NJ? i thought there was no set date. haven't played in a week or so.

10-23-2015 , 01:09 PM

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ghost_of_m

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zapzer

wait is this change actually coming to NJ? i thought there was no set date. haven't played in a week or so.

Seems like all the changes on the international client are eventually planned for the micro-sites like NJ.

And Gags is right: players need to be vocal now that we DO NOT want these changes in NJ.

10-23-2015 , 01:10 PM

#39

ghost_of_m

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gags30

Everyone needs to be VERY vocal they this change to get rid of written hand histories does not come to party/Borgata in nj

10-23-2015 , 02:05 PM

#40

Serotonins Gone

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ghost_of_m

Seems like all the changes on the international client are eventually planned for the micro-sites like NJ.

And Gags is right: players need to be vocal now that we DO NOT want these changes in NJ.

Seems inevitable. Why would they do this in ROW & not NJ?

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10-23-2015 , 02:39 PM

#41

AnimaLettire

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Serotonins Gone

Yes, that's a problem. I use those downloadable hand histories to track my earnings for tax purposes.

Really disappointing.

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This is the worst argument ever, do you know how easy it is to track your earnings?

Interesting that there is no set date for this but Colette snap knew how the hand histories were gonna work, have to assume
*it's happening soon
* she's just yammering like usual

10-23-2015 , 02:45 PM

#42

Serotonins Gone

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AnimaLettire

Of course I can manually do it but obviously poker tracker automatically doing it & being able to do a detailed analysis of your play is a million times better.

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10-23-2015 , 05:37 PM

#43

Serotonins Gone

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If they wanna get rid of HUDs couldn't they make your opponent's names anonymous in the hand histories & still allow you to download your own personal performance information?

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10-24-2015 , 03:00 AM

#44

AnimaLettire

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Serotonins Gone

this seems really reasonable but possibly tough to do? If doable this seems like a great solution

10-24-2015 , 03:24 AM

#45

Serotonins Gone

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AnimaLettire

this seems really reasonable but possibly tough to do? If doable this seems like a great solution

I imagine it wouldn't be that hard for them to rewrite the code that generates the hand history to replace all opponent's screen names with "seat 1, seat 2" etc.

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10-24-2015 , 03:03 PM

#46

ayeekayy47

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I am against this change

10-24-2015 , 03:50 PM

#47

Nash_equilibria

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+1. You can help by being more vocal in Twitch, social media, etc. I will probably play much less at partypoker.com if my own hand histories are no longer downloadable.

But just like when partypoker.com introduced the terrible re-entry format, if players there continue to play re-entries and without downloadable HH, then the same changes will come to NJ.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gags30

Everyone needs to be VERY vocal they this change to get rid of written hand histories does not come to party/Borgata in nj

10-24-2015 , 11:13 PM

#48

Gags30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Party_Rep

To clarify regarding HH - these will still be able to view within the client.
They will not be available to download and share
Players can still review their action

Thanks

Colette

as I stated in my first post, this is NOT the same thing, and NOT an acceptable alternative. Simply viewing hands is not the same as being able to analyze hands in an external program to make sure you are not being cheated. Look at the original threads on how they caught the cheaters at ultimate bet. Look at the threads on how everyone caught bots on partypoker.com recently. Every situation was discovered via data analysis in external programs.

Taking away written hand history files renders players incapable of monitoring and safeguarding the games they are playing in, and therefore prevents players from keeping their own money safe while at the poker tables.

10-25-2015 , 12:36 AM

#49

ghost_of_m

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gags30

Taking away written hand history files renders players incapable of monitoring and safeguarding the games they are playing in, and therefore prevents players from keeping their own money safe while at the poker tables.

I would even say it keeps players from keeping everybody's money safe. Clearly this is one of the hidden flaws in the regulated model. The top down approach does not work to prevent or detect BOTs or foul play.

10-25-2015 , 04:06 PM

#50

SantaCruz

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gags30

Exactly.

Even PokerStars with the best security in the business relies to a certain extent from player feedback. Without the players having the ability to look in their databases for patterns of suspicious play there is no question that the entire site becomes less secure.

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