Starting today, Bad Beat Bonus. Win your share of $10,000 just for playing on Ultimate Poker when someone gets quad 10s beat. $2,500 to loser, $1,500 to winner, $1,000 table share, and $5,000 player share.

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Can you explain why limit games are ALWAYS ignored on the site? If you made this promotion active at .25/.50 LHE, I am sure you would bring players back to the site. It is really frustrating that you've completely killed off the LHE cash game economy by not supporting it one iota, and by having every promotion geared toward NLHE.

How about when you make the announcement on here you also put in the fine print? "Any player that loses a ring game hand at $.10/$.25 NLHE (or higher) with Quad 10’s or higher."

Are you serious? Yeah and do it for PLO too-lol

Yes, I'm serious. How is comparing PLO to LHE valid? I couldn't give 2 s***s about the jackpot. I want players who want to be there for it to play again (I want to play in healthy LHE games again online).

There was a very healthy LHE economy on UP for a long time. It fell apart last November. I used to talk to a lot of people on the site, and I guarantee you if this promotion were available for LHE (at that time, can't say for now) that the tables would be filled frequently. Now, if I don't start a LHE game (at any level I play) there isn't one. It's very unfortunate, since there are SO many LHE players in Vegas who would probably like to not leave their houses. Any games featuring jackpots for LHE online would be legit great, as well.

Get ur facts straight. Everyone left UP including their staff because their software SUCKS and beyond repair! No other reason. How many times did we hear MAC software coming out when UP first came out? 19 months later still no MAC client and still hear any week now-lol!! But hey lets continue to blame the Regulators for the delays in necessary improvements to client ....
UP did massive overlays and all types of promotions but players left being fed up with their crappy software-still no hands replayer too I might add. I will say this promotion could bring back a lot of low stakes players who want to play the lotto

Zero reason UP should be in business with the product they put out in the market and with what competition offers even with FREE RAKE UP is a total failure. If MGM or anyone decides to startup in Nevada with a 2014 client not a 1990's client it is lights out for UP and they have no one to blame but themselves not the Gaming Commission!

Angry much? You clearly have no idea what you're talking about in regard to LHE games on UP. The players left because they lost all their money, no games were running, or they realized that they could make more in an actual live casino. Barely anyone I ever played with at LHE ever complained about the software. LHE is not a popular game, except in live casinos where there is a game going almost all the time in the vast majority of poker rooms.

When the site launched, the players loved that they didn't have to leave home to play. A lot of those players were going and blowing $100+ per day in live casinos playing 2/4 LHE (though I confirmed the majority of microstakes regulars usually played 4/8 live when not online), and thought that they wouldn't do the same playing online. The site played radically different than anything like a Full Tilt, because people had so much money on the site that they just played whatever was available. I can't tell you how many times I would build up at .05/.10, move to .10/.20 and everyone would follow, then to .25/.50, and everyone would follow. They stopped following at .50/1, because that became a real portion of their bank rolls (I'm assuming). So, the site had a very healthy LHE economy for a long time, but most of the people who were good enough to make money on the site realized they could make more live (most were live players who were trying online). The others realized they were even worse than they originally thought. I was the primary LHE game starter at lower stakes, and I got too busy over a month period to play. When I came back everyone was gone. People were really scared to game start at LHE there. That's why the few of us who were willing felt there should have been an incentive for game starters. The easiest one to implement is no rake for 3 player or less games. They never did that. With the high rake and high frequency of hit and runs, there was never an incentive for anyone to game start at 1/2 or 2/4, so that was almost a complete dead zone except during the milestone hand promotions.

It's obvious you hate UP, but a lot of people don't. I wish they would have removed the punitive rake for game starters, especially at games starting at .25/.50, but I could live with a lot of those types of issues if we could get back better traffic. Cash games have largely been ignored at UP in regard to promotions (only recently has NLHE been given promotions), so you can't say that new promotions they would do are meaningless. All you have to do is advertise the new promotions in the various Stations poker rooms, and people will play. There's a reason why the site was filled as all the hand milestones were happening. With promotions that appeal to ALL cash game players, that likely would have a very good chance of happening again.

I, for one, welcome more casinos adding to the competition. There was never an LHE player pool on wsop.com, so it was never in consideration. South Point recently "launched" their site. Even though online poker has been regulated in Nevada for nearly 19 months, their location software is impossible to use for nearly every user (it says I'm playing in an unauthorized area and their support was so clueless about how to fix it that they just closed the ticket). If you're looking for a disastrous site, point right there. UP has issues, but your hyperbole in describing it is pretty awful.

Ok genius you know all, has nothing to do with horrific software, has nothing to do that Scotty,Terrance and rest of crew throwing up the surrender flag. . You are obviously are clueless but keep playing with yourself because thats all that will be left on UP.. FYI I dont hate UP hate how the upper management has dealt with the blunder of their software purchase and how it affected everyone there!
Now the IGNORE BUTTON for you so troll away

Just to give an indication of what this promotion is capable of, there are currently 13 tables running that fit the parameters of the promotion. There are only 3 other "active" cash game (meaning games started) tables going on the site. Please make this promo active for LHE, and pick a stake where it makes sense to make it active.

Limit holdem is dead everywhere. You cant blame ultimate for that. Games barely run on wsop as well. I try and get 5-10 10-20 limit on ultimate almost everyday and it very rarely goes and if it does its heads up usually.

You're in the part of the economy I wish I were in, but your economy was always light from the start (though you used to get games in the beginning of UP). LHE was thriving toward the end of the summer 2013 (would generally be 4 to 6 tables going from 2pm to midnight, sometimes more up to .50/1). A lot of the regs stopped playing, though, and it killed the games. Yesterday, a full 1/2 LHE ran for over 2 hours (I haven't seen a full LHE game run for more than 15 minutes in almost a year, it feels like, and even though I have no roll on the site anymore I couldn't resist playing in it). What I did notice in my checks yesterday is that several of the LHE regs from back then are playing on the promotional tables. If games ran this promotion in LHE, most of them would play (as evidenced by a few joining the 1/2 game), but absolutely none of those types of regs are willing to game start.

LHE is dead everywhere but the casinos. There's a significant player pool in Vegas that even a tiny portion of could prop up UP or the other site, but you have to give those players incentives to play. Having a bad beat works for a lot of the LLHE players in Vegas, or there wouldn't be a zillion players at Station casinos when the BBJ gets huge. A pool of probably 40 players would probably be enough to keep LHE healthy at all of the micros (good luck getting a 4/8 player to play 10/20 obviously). I don't think you'd ever be able to get 10/20 games to run consistently on UP, because most people aren't interested in playing the best of the best players online (in the right circumstances you could probably get people to play 5/10). I saw lots of mistake players at 5/10 when you were able to get that game going, but I don't think you had many accidents stumble on to your games when you played higher.

I tried to start something similar at wsop to what I used to do on UP, but you're correct, no one's interested in LHE there. There were a few players who came from UP, but the games just never ran at any stake. That's probably due to the Omaha variations being available. I was also really disappointed that the games would never run at wsop, because the ones that did were so lol I couldn't believe it.

I still firmly believe that if they brought this promotion to .25/.50 LHE and higher (and advertised it in the poker rooms) that people would come back to LHE. A promotion like this at LHE would also make for great games.

Limit holdem is even dead at casinos. When ultimate first launched I would get heads up limit holdem sit and goes of size as big as 300 games. Limit is dead online because the fish aren't as fishy as they used to be at limit so the edges are getting smaller and smaller. This makes it very hard for a lot of people to win after the rake.

Ultimate is definitely losing player base as we used to have 1-2 plo running daily and there was the occasional 2-4 and 3-6. I wished that ultimate was winning as I cant stand wsop and their lack of customer support. I know basically every reg on wsop cant stand the lack of promotions for regs and the horrible customer support. If ultimate was to get new software and push a modest promotion they could do alright.

nunnehi, I think you have the right idea about the mindset of LHE players. Live this game is very difficult to beat at the lowest stakes but it's the same old retirees that show up 4-6 days a week and grind it out amongst themselves. Realistically UP could get this going from the tiniest stakes all the way up to $.50-$1.00.

The best thing you can do as an individual is sit at a few empty tables at the various stakes you're comfortable playing and wait for someone to join. While waiting sit at a NL table and see if you can poach some players. Once someone sits ask him to stay as HU play can be tough but if you can keep the game going more will join. Getting the 4th,5th and 6th players combined is only equally as difficult as getting the 3rd. Once the game is going try sitting at a different stake and rinse and repeat. It's important to talk at the table and let the other players know how much you enjoy the game and tell them when you might next play etc.

A good promo for LHE on Ultimate Poker might be a cash prize for any 4 of a kind or better using both your whole cards. This keeps the games nice and juicy as people will call a raise with 43 suited for the remote chance of hitting a jackpotable flop.

That's what I used to do (only occasionally got desperate enough to sit at NL tables), but I haven't had as much time to play recently. Because it was so fruitless doing that for about a month when I had the time (I would set up tables at .05/.10, .10/.20, and .25/.50), I just decided to pull out most of my roll and just set up two tables of .05/.10 lately. Nearly every time I do that, I get a heads up game going (there's a particular player who will basically play as long as we want), but we rarely ever expand the table out past that (I'm not going to play someone heads up for 2 hours at .05/.10 in hopes of getting a full game, so we generally break at some point if others don't join. The issue at the "higher" games (.50/1 and 1/2), as I'm sure Butters can attest to is the incessant hit and runs. I routinely used to try to game start 1/2, but lost at least $100 game starting (over a week or so) because of people playing two hands and leaving. When that sort of thing is the norm (and full games would never run anyway), I'm just not going to game start it without incentive. Hit and runs used to always happen at .25/.50, but it meant nothing to me, since it was a relatively low portion of my bankroll. I was barely rolled for 1/2 when this was going on, so I just dropped back to where I didn't care if I got hit and ran.

He's also right that very few people were winning at LHE online at UP. UP's games were fairly difficult for the types of stakes they were and way way more aggressive than a typical 2/4 game in a casino. It was nothing like playing something like .25/.50 on Full Tilt, but it wasn't like anything I've ever seen live either. So, a lot of these players who had particular strategies that "worked" for them in their live games were getting crushed in every session. In the micro LHE, I'd be surprised if there were more than 10 winning players ever on there, and it might be less than 5. I miss those games so much.

Any promotion that would give incentive for people to play LHE will work. There haven't been any good ones since the early raked hand promos, which drove a ton of action at the tables. A lot of players on there lamented that there weren't high hand bonuses or BBJs, so there is a market for it. But, UP doesn't seem interested in weighing in, so that's probably already my answer.

I'm gonna have to disagree with you there, but we could be arguing degrees (if I can easily find a game, and I can find multiples within 15 minutes of my house, I can't consider it dead). I think there are enough games in Vegas to give a "healthy" player pool for LHE on UP, but there's nothing to make those players choose online over live. I just looked on Bravo, and there are approximately 30 LHE tables at the various casinos running in the middle of a week. Many of these games run in Station Casinos (probably like 12 to 15 tables right now). I didn't include Spread Limit, but a lot of LHE players have switched to that in the casinos where that's run.

Very few people are winning limit holdem players period. Those 2-4 limit games show that limit holdem is dead. Those live games are unbeatable with the rake being so high and needing to tip as well. Look I absolutely love limit holdem and have played incredibly high as well as low stakes online. The reality is the game is dead. Look back 15 years there were more limit games than no limit cash games. All the fish enjoy playing no limit its the truth. Just because there are micro stakes limit games live doesn't mean there is a healthy player base. Most of those players love the social aspect and go and lose 80 bucks and have a good time. Those players don't transition over to the internet. Look at the games that matter on bravo. All the big action is nlhe or plo as well as some random mixed games. Its the same outside of the us as well. You look at pokerstars and the limit games are very dead. The problem is the edges are too small for winning players to play anymore and the fish don't enjoy it. I absolutely wish it was how it was 8 years ago online but the reality is the game is dying. PLO is growing pretty quick and popularity and ultimate is struggling to attract any of those players.

Also adding any bad beat bonus or high hand is terrible because it would raise the rake if it were a permanent thing. Higher rake just makes it even harder to beat.

I certainly wouldn't make it a permanent promo... maybe a week to see if LHE can get some traction on UP. And it certainly couldn't have higher rake. But even if the payout was 50-100x the big blind the extra rake collected from players playing low suited connectors that ordinarily wouldn't, would probably make up for the bonuses.

I assumed if the bad beat hit you would get a share for every eligible table you were playing. Someone said they asked and were told only one share per player no matter how many tables you were playing. Can you please clarify Ali?

It seems unfair not to pay a share for each table since the money comes from our rake, so people playing multiple tables and paying rake on each should receive multiple shares.

You know that won't happen. One share per person is totally reasonable. You're just opening up more chances for the jackpot to hit for both you, and the tables you play at. This is where having a larger player pool becomes crucial, and right now you have to provide it yourself by playing multiple tables. If multi-tabling were possible in live casinos, they would never pay one person more than once.

What would be wrong with hitting it and receiving a table share on another table?

Wouldn't it make everyone's individual share higher if it is only one share per person?

So the guy playing every table on the site and helping to start more wins the same as the full ring 1 tabling nit?

If this promotion is to increase volume, it would be silly to do it this way.

How long till 6 of these nits become friends, lock up a table and just play super slow super nitty poker waiting for the free money.

It's not an action generator at no limit, but it would be at limit. My feeling (could be wrong) is that the only negative benefit to 1 share is if you are on the table that it hits (as you would lose the bonus share on the other tables, but you would get more money overall, making that not matter), and that has several people who are one tabling.

If a bunch of people are multi-tabling, then you're all propping the games (and a game like you describe could literally happen, by the way). If UP has never given ANY benefit to long time game starters, why would they start now? I'm not really commenting on what's right or wrong, I'm trying to make you understand that they won't do what he's asking.

Yes the share would be higher, but a person playing 1 table would get the same as the person playing 6 tables and paying 6 times the rake.

I just read the fine print - if you were playing an hour before and not when it hits you still get a share. So the super nit could log in once an hour pay blinds and log out.