Are there any promotions geared towards cash players for September? if so, when will they be announced?

Agreed. The SNG leaderboard is good, but it would be nice to see a cash promo or MTT series as well. While we all understand that the WSOP promo's were generous and took the role of 2-3 months promo's, it's been a bit since we've had a real promo. (Rising ranks was too dispersed)

I was led to believe the original sng leaderboard was returning but don't know for sure yet. Month is about to begin....

looks like it was just posted
http://www.wsop.com/promotions/2014-sept-sng/NJ/

$25 sngs don't count by their listing, obv needs to be changed

Haven't had any mtt promos in ages. Time to ramp up your promos, stars is on the horizon.

hehe yea I emailed them about that. waiting to see what they say.

I imagine the $25's have to be part of the high leaderboard. 50's and 100's run so infrequently that the variance on the high leaderboard bonus would be insane.

According to the T&C at the bottom of the page:
I'm amazed at the casual tone and poor phrasing for the terms and conditions on these promos. Compare that to any McDonalds collect-and-win game with a full poster of small print official rules, and it baffles me.

Agreed. What percentage of WSOP.com players even play SNG? What percentage of total rake is generated by SNG players versus percentage of total rake generated by Silver tier and above?

I just don't see the logic of giving the SNG players $4500/week, while the only promotion for tier holders is the $2000 weekly freeroll. Increase the weekly freeroll to $4000, and there will be more incentive to play enough to at least make Silver tier.

Personally, I am only interested in cash games and MTT freezeouts. But they won't even put guarantees on the freezeouts. The result is that the only freezeout above $5.50 which goes daily is the $16.50 midnight freezeout.

Look at what happened to that tournament. it used to struggle to get the minimum players, and usually had less than 20 players. With a $550 guarantee, it now regularly attracts 50+ players.

Not new. This has been happening since November on WSOP and 888. They must share the promotions team. Details are not their strong suit.

so just by looking at their promotion page, im guessing there isn't going to be any cash game promos this month since its already 9/1. i don't really understand WSOP's thought process on how they are running their business. at this rate stars is just going to take 90%+ market share overnight.

I primarily play SNGs and I'm at diamond.

That aside, WSOP only makes money off of SNGs when they have a promotion, otherwise SNGs are absolutely dead. Cash games and MTTs are healthy (in comparison) on their own. I'm not saying there shouldn't be promotions for Cash/MTT, but rather that it's an unrelated discussion, and of the three, an SNG promotion is the most necessary.

This personal promo is horrible. So i need to get 15000 app points in order to get same value as some people for 1000 app points? With the lack of games it is near impossible for me to even come close to that.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

my goal is around 15k also, curious what other people were given

I think I can speak for the vast majority of players in saying I don't give a rat's a$$.

MTT freezeouts are not healthy, they are moribund.

No, it is not an unrelated discussion. There is only so much promotional money available. $4500/week to SNG players is absurd IMO.

Necessary to whom?

You don't seem to understand. WSOP makes more money by offering $7,500 weekly to SNG players than it would if it offered $0. SNG action is entirely dependent on promotions.

Without a SNG promotion, WSOP is making less money.

http://www.wsop.com/promotions/2014-personal-best/NJ/

Thanks. It doesn't seem to state it there but it's for players who have generated $1000 in rake in cash games.

I understand perfectly. You are not concerned with fairness to the player base. Arguments about what is profitable to WSOP are irrelevant to the consideration of fairness to the player base.

Consider the following two ratios --

(Total SNG Rake)/(Total Rake from all sources)

(SNG Promotional $)/(Total Promotional $)

Fairness would dictate that these two ratios be approximately equal.

It seems obvious that SNG players contribute a small fraction of Total Rake, but get the lion's share of promotional money.

That is fundamentally unfair.

We live on Earth, not in Candyland. This promotion benefits both the players who take advantage of it and WSOP, end of story. You don't think it's fair? Well I do, and neither of our purely subjective ideas of fairness have any relevance here. You seem to be looking at promotions as some sort of reward, which is not what they are.

The discussion of a potential MTT or Cash game bonus should revolve around that promotion's benefit to both the players involved and WSOP, nothing else.

No, it is not the end of the story. You don't seem to realize that if WSOP is going to disproportionately reward SNG players, then, in order to maintain their ROI objective, they must short cash and MTT players.

You think it's fair for SNG players to contribute a small fraction of total rake, but get the lion's share of promotional money?

Like I said, you are not concerned with fairness to the player base.

Of course promotions are rewards. The $2000 weekly freeroll is a promotion, is it not? And it is a reward for paying at least $100/month in rake.

First of all, I apologize for being a little harsh/condescending.


A promotion is a form of marketing. I know pretty much nothing about marketing, but I do know it would not make sense to put the most marketing dollars towards what's already successful, while putting little to nothing towards what isn't.

That said, it really doesn't matter. Since WSOP is only profiting from the SNG promotion, there would be no reason to not have other promotions due to the SNG promotion "taking up the budget". If they're not holding other promotions, it's simply because they don't feel said promotions would be profitable; whether they're right or wrong about that.

They fixed the $25's not being included but now screwed it up so $10's don't count lol