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01-03-2017 , 08:47 PM
4-8 with a full kill that is on. Loose passive game.

Hero is on the BB with A10

5 way action, MP is the kill and it limps to me and I call.

Flop 336 (5 sb)

Hero checks, Villian w/ kill bets, fold, fold, call, hero calls. (Is this a bit light to call with?)

Turn 9 (8 sb)

Checks around..

River A

Hero checks with the intention of a C/r providing I think there be an ggressive bet to steal the river or just bet out?
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01-03-2017 , 09:48 PM
Pf is probably a raise. If I didn't I'd bet the flop. As played I'd bet the river
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01-04-2017 , 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Keys Kid
4-8 with a full kill that is on. Loose passive game.

Hero is on the BB with A10

5 way action, MP is the kill and it limps to me and I call.

Flop 336 (5 sb)

Hero checks, Villian w/ kill bets, fold, fold, call, hero calls. (Is this a bit light to call with?)

Turn 9 (8 sb)

Checks around..

River A

Hero checks with the intention of a C/r providing I think there be an ggressive bet to steal the river or just bet out?
I'd raise pre, but I'd probably check A9o and definitely check A8o so really it can't be that bad.

Flop call is fine. You don't block any stab hands and you have 6 outs against most of his value range.

River check raise seems a little aggressive. I don't think a player at 4/8 is going to show up very often in a limped pot with a hand worse than AT that limps pre, bets when checked to on 633, checks back the turn 9 and bet/calls the river A.

That's not to say checking is bad. You may just conclude that he doesn't have anything and slipping it to him in this spot may be the only way to get money from him. I'd be more apt to bet at this level (where it's much more likely someone has a hand like 86 and didn't bet the turn for some reason) and check in games with more aggressive, stab-happy opponents.
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01-04-2017 , 12:33 PM
there's a chance he has a pair of 6.
there's also a chance he just took a stab at the pot.

if i think the 1st option is more likely then i'll value bet.
if i think the 2nd option is more likely, i love the k/r with the intention to fold to a 3b (there is a chance he has ax himself)

regarding pre, i'd raise for value (ATo is siginificantly better than A9o whereas A9o is only slightly better than A8o)
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01-04-2017 , 04:38 PM
I think pre is close and probably either raising or checking your option is fine. You are getting 7-1 and closing the action on the flop, so I think a call is okay. But I don't think it's a slam dunk, given the paired board and two opponents. I'd check turn and probably check-call river. I like betting out on river more than attempting a c/r.
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01-04-2017 , 05:06 PM
Raise pre.

River c/r is pretty baffling, if he didn't bet the turn he either won't bet the river A ... or you were drawing dead on the turn and got there.

Nobody's mentioned it, but IMO his most likely hands are 42 or 52 or 54 or 74 or 75 (he may have barreled 54 and 75 because open ended).
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01-05-2017 , 03:11 AM
I love to raise pre flop, but would just call with this hand. I think people tighten up a little pre flop in kill pots, so AJo would be the first offsuit A I'd raise.

Flop and turn are good.

River I'd just bet because I don't think player's at this level are going to stab at the pot often enough to go for the x/r.
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01-06-2017 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Plsmrshenry
Pf is probably a raise. If I didn't I'd bet the flop. As played I'd bet the river
Correct. Raise PF, as played flop and turn are perfect, but I'd "donk" the river.
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01-22-2017 , 09:36 PM
Check/Call if you think nobody has anything, or someone may bluff at it. I wouldn't cr, too aggressive for my taste.
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01-25-2017 , 03:10 PM
Please forgive me if this is bad form to post in this thread now that most of the discussion has died down.

I'm a novice player at best, so bear with me. It seems pretty unanimous in this thread that raising pre-flop is a good line, would anybody care to elaborate on why? Is it related to hand equity? Is this purely a value raise, or does the kill pot change the dynamic enough where you would expect players to tighten up and fold to a raise?

From my (admittedly ABC-player) perspective, raising an unsuited ace with an only okay kicker, out of position, with five way action isn't a clear raise. I may be misunderstanding the effect of posting the BB in a kill pot though.

I'm new, and still learning how to think through this stuff. Any insight would be appreciated.

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01-25-2017 , 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Natastic
Please forgive me if this is bad form to post in this thread now that most of the discussion has died down.

I'm a novice player at best, so bear with me. It seems pretty unanimous in this thread that raising pre-flop is a good line, would anybody care to elaborate on why? Is it related to hand equity? Is this purely a value raise, or does the kill pot change the dynamic enough where you would expect players to tighten up and fold to a raise?

From my (admittedly ABC-player) perspective, raising an unsuited ace with an only okay kicker, out of position, with five way action isn't a clear raise. I may be misunderstanding the effect of posting the BB in a kill pot though.

I'm new, and still learning how to think through this stuff. Any insight would be appreciated.

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Even OOP, our hand stands to rate well equity wise versus our opponents. Flopping an Ace is good for us, as most players would raise Aces that are better than AT. We also don't mind making exploitative plays, like bet/folding our Ace if we face raises from passive opponents. It's not a fantastic hand, though, so just calling along can be okay as well with this hand.
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01-25-2017 , 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Natastic
Please forgive me if this is bad form to post in this thread now that most of the discussion has died down.

I'm a novice player at best, so bear with me. It seems pretty unanimous in this thread that raising pre-flop is a good line, would anybody care to elaborate on why? Is it related to hand equity? Is this purely a value raise, or does the kill pot change the dynamic enough where you would expect players to tighten up and fold to a raise?

From my (admittedly ABC-player) perspective, raising an unsuited ace with an only okay kicker, out of position, with five way action isn't a clear raise. I may be misunderstanding the effect of posting the BB in a kill pot though.

I'm new, and still learning how to think through this stuff. Any insight would be appreciated.

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It's marginal. There's a book called Small Stakes Poker by Ed Miller. I highly recommend it. In a game of average or better than average, you may not wish to do this. But if they are limping with any two suited's then raise. You may also forgo the raise for psychological reasons. If you wake your opponents too much, they start to play back at you and are less predictable.
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