vilain new to table



[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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Preflop: Hero is UTG with A J
Hero raises, MP 3-bets, 4 folds, Hero calls

Flop: (7.5 SB) 2 T T (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets, Hero calls

Turn: (4.8 BB) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets, Hero calls

River: (6.8 BB) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets, Hero ?

i guess my hand scream for Ahigh but still, does anyone fold ?

Real time against an unknown I call. It's exploitable (not having a x/f range OTR), but an unknown could very well be barreling with KQ, 76s -- who knows.

A competent villain should be barreling all A highs since you clearly have ****.

Folding this hand is extremely exploitable...

Standard call down.

Are you calling turn with KQ-?

The way I see it OTR we are at the very bottom of our range. If we don't fold AJ we don't fold anything, which is exploitable.

A better way to see it is we're pretty damn close to the top of our ch/c, ch/c range

You cannot consider folding against an unknown in spots like this. Villain could be a maniac. Villain could be a reg who value bets all 3 streets or just does it to be annoying. Villain could be a fish who thinks paired boards are awesome for bluffing.

You need a read that villain will neither 3 barrel A hi nor bluff 3 streets. This describes some regs and loose-passives at these stakes. But easy calldown vs. an unknown.

No.


After the turn we have:

A lot of Ahi combos < PPs we play passively < rivered flushes < slowplayed FH

Moreover, this range is very faceup to a decent opponent.

If a high is the bottom of your chk call chk call range, your problem is on the flop/turn.

how so ?
my hand is dominated by a lot of Ahigh or pp when i get 3bet from UTG.

To clarify: vs an unknown I think this is an easy call down.

You have Khi in your call call range? It's not exactly a wide range v wide range spot. Perhaps you should reconsider your flop/turn play. Planning to cc cc cf (or cc) Khi is also really bad.

um K high should most definitely still be in your ch/c ch/c call range.

Ummm because you obviously are folding the turn way too much if you don't have king high in your turn chk call range.

How have you come to this conclusion? A gut feeling? I've studied this situation from an exploitative and gto perspective. Calling the turn with king high is not bad.

i play loft of limit holdem with OTR and think one of his biggest leaks is not having enough full houses in his range when he check calls flop and turn.

Not sure if serious? Board is pretty dry OTT; can expect a river barrel often, so having a number of river bluffs/FHs makes sense.


I was playing around with a few different ranges OTT. Hero is getting 5.75-1. KQ beats 11 combos of {78s 89s JQs}, chops 21 combos {KQ, KJ}. Villain has about 170 combos total.

Calling with Khi is an ugly spot, but I guess it could work out. Sometimes villain will give up with worse/chop. If they're an aggro monkey, we can riverbluff. Calling turn with Khi then folding river feels REALLY dirty though.

Um, you know sometimes you pair up to the river and win right?

You also missed 4 possible chop outs

So we should check fold turn + river with K high because its not a profitable call, but we should also check call full houses because we can expect him to barrel often?

My last post suggests I'm getting on board the flat K-hi train. Certainly not every combo of K-hi, but having some combos is fine.

It does depend on villain's PF range though. If he's close to 10% PF3b, then don't float Khi, and AJ might need to fold OTR.

Calling >>>>>>>>>>>>> Raising >>> Folding.

I've been three barreled in this spot by hands like KQ to learn not to fold an A on this not-scary double-paired board.

call the river...not so much for this hand, although there is some chance to win or split, but for the purpose of modifying our play if the villain is getting out of line

as others have said, folding is exploitable---the villain may be making a move on us: our pre-flop open raise range may be tightly defined and he is hoping the flop misses us and he can steal the pot with nothing...so i call, wanting to see if he was making a move...if he was, i adjust my play thusly:

i wait a little while, looking for when i am under the gun and i will open raise with a hand outside of my normal range, the idea being if an all high flop comes the villain will figure we connected (although we missed)...but also if a flop comes with non-high cards comes, we may have connected and can take the hand to showdown--the villain will figure we missed and bet it down.

would anyone care to post standard UTG opening and MP 3betting ranges in here for me? I would like to look at the hand in CREV but I play primarily big bet and am not sure what up to date ranges look like in this spot.

what I'm thinking:

UTG: AA-55,AKs-A2s,AKo-ATo,KQs-K9s,KQo-KJo,QJs-QTs,QJo,JTs,T9s

MP: AA-77,AKs-A9s,AKo-ATo,KQs-KTs,KQo,QJs,JTs

good? are people actually 3betting hands like 87s MP vs UTG (Phunkphish?)

my thoughts:

1. call down AJ as a default in this spot.

2. I think KQo is a borderline hand on the turn here. if MP is 3betting offsuit broadways weaker than KQ you should call and mostly call river, but I don't think it can be a +EV turn call if he's not playing those hands. not a slam dunk either way.

utg open: 44, a9o/a6s, kto/k9s, qjo/qts, t9s
3bet vs utg open: 66, ajo/ats, kqo/kjs

pretty standard call down

assuming villain is reasonable, would you usually be planning on c/f'ing river ui?