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08-31-2007 , 02:18 PM

nutlow

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50/7/1/30 (140 hands)

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Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is Button with J

UTG calls, Hero raises, 2 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: J

(5.5SB, 2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

Turn: Q

(3.75BB, 2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

River: 9

(5.75BB, 2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 7.75BB

wa/wb? donks often a bluff so i want to let him barrel... he has like no outs if behind (AQ the only hand with 6 outs is unlikely since he didnt raise preflop)

should i raise somewhere? if so i would prefer to raise the river since it gets the most out of bluffs

08-31-2007 , 02:24 PM

yourface

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you need to put in a raise somewhere. there are so many hands he can have that you beat and that will go to showdown. 22-55, 77-TT, Jx are all possible. I think 6x hands need to be discounted due to his flop donk

if he is capable of triple barrel bluffing in this spot I think that the river would be the best place to raise

08-31-2007 , 02:39 PM

Absolution

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This is perfect.

08-31-2007 , 02:39 PM

thepizzlefosho

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if he is capable of triple barrel bluffing why would we raise the river? Or are you saying that he is essentially bluffing with A-high or a low pkt pair and that he'll likely call a river raise? (I wouldn't exactly call it a triple barrel bluff though if he has a pkt pair)

I typically just raise the flop here, but your line looks fine.

08-31-2007 , 02:41 PM

yourface

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waiting until the river to raise would extract the max from his bluffs and from his showdown bound hands, so long as villain bets both hand types on all streets

08-31-2007 , 02:45 PM

sethypooh21

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waiting until the river to raise would extract the max from his bluffs and from his showdown bound hands, so long as villain bets both hand types on all streets

I see what you are saying, but this river is a pretty terrible card to pull the trigger on. All kinds of janky runner runner draws got there, so he might have, plus that makes him paying off with 77 or so less and less likely.

08-31-2007 , 02:47 PM

yourface

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would you feel comfortable folding to a 3bet here? I think we are ahead more than 50% when villain calls/raises, but I may be wrong

08-31-2007 , 02:48 PM

sethypooh21

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would you feel comfortable folding to a 3bet here? I think we are ahead more than 50% when villain calls/raises, but I may be wrong

I'm never comfortable taking a line that involves "raising" and "folding" on the same street.

08-31-2007 , 02:59 PM

thepizzlefosho

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seth what line do you take? call-down? or raise flop or turn?

08-31-2007 , 05:31 PM

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TheHip41

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50/7/1/30 (140 hands)

are we talking about you, or the villian

seriously nutlow, leave 2+2, or I can't follow you around for free money anymore

08-31-2007 , 05:32 PM

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TheHip41

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This is perfect.

i sometimes raise the turn, but not that turn

08-31-2007 , 05:56 PM

#12

sethypooh21

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seth what line do you take? call-down? or raise flop or turn?

With the board coming like this, I probably play it WA/WB unless I improve. Change it as little as me having KT on a T66 flop and, I strongly consider raising the flop, or FSDR this turn.

08-31-2007 , 06:18 PM

#13

Oink

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seriously nutlow, leave 2+2, or I can't follow you around for free money anymore

I doubt 2+2 nutlow = AP Nutlaw.

09-01-2007 , 12:33 AM

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nutlow

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well i am not nutlaw7 on AP... my stats are more taggish like 25/20/2.7/37

thx so far for your comments

09-01-2007 , 12:45 AM

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TheHip41

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seriously nutlow, leave 2+2, or I can't follow you around for free money anymore

I doubt 2+2 nutlow = AP Nutlaw.

thank god, the last thing I need is my mid-fish to read 2+2 and get good.

i need that free money

nutlow, I apologize for calling you a fish

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