Been playing w/o HUD for last 2 weeks so no stats on villains, but fair amount of history. Notes on UTG is apparent winner despite horrible preflop decisions, seems to spew frequently (3! my utg raise with A6o constantly....). Capper is baddish reg w/ propensity to cold call, so his cap may have slightly more merit to it than some (less inclined to have hands like AJ here)

Is this the most standard b/c in entire world, or do we have options here (or any streets for that matter)

Poker Stars $30/$60 Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is CO with 7 7
UTG raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, BTN caps!, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG calls, Hero calls

Flop: (17 SB) 6 A 4 (4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: (8.5 BB) 3 (4 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, BTN calls, SB folds

River: (11.5 BB) 7 (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, BTN calls, UTG raises, Hero calls, BTN calls

How do players like UTG win at these limits ! ?

I am reasoning that you did not bet the flop, in case BTN had an A or an overpair.

So, when the flop is checked through and a blank falls on the turn, it looks to me as though you might have the best hand.

So, raise turn for value ?

You have to be good 2 out of 3 times to 3-bet the river for value, so I think that I would also have called UTG river raise, paricularly with BTN still there.

wouldnt river gin be a 5 ?

From Villain's perspective, after the turn you're both on UI PPs or flush draws most of the time. Given that you didn't raise the turn, your PPs might be discounted (I would have raised/called BTW hoping to push out a better PP and extract value from semibluffed flush draws).

On the river (prior to the action) BTN has KK, 22, 55, 77 or a flush most of the time. Possibly QQ I guess. Not impossibly JJ-99, but it seems pretty unlikely. You might have QQ-99 since you called first, though I'd discount them for a number of reasons. Again, 22, 55, 77, KK, flush.

Given your turn ranges, at least one of you improved on the river most of the time. The only time it checks through is when you're both on UI pocket pairs, and even then you or BTN will be on KK sometimes and might find a bet. If Villain has a strong flush, going for a sexy doesn't seem terrible in this spot -- he'd be risking losing maybe 1 BB vs betting when you're both on PPs, since one or both will almost certainly find a fold. He sometimes gets one of you to make a bet with an UI PP that would have folded thinking that they can push out better hands. He gets two bets or more out of sets or better. And BTN is probably more likely to make a crying call to a bet from you with KK or worse than to overcall you. Though, on the cons side, he loses the ability to 3bet a set or straight who probably won't trey a c/r but will usually raise/call.

Doesn't seem to make sense with less given how large a part of your respective ranges flushes are, but I'm talking myself into kind of liking the sexy with a strong flush. Or at least not hating it.

From your perspective, question is how often he has the blinders on and is showing off his mad skillz with something like a set or 2p or even TPGK. I bet/call and don't think it's ever going to be a big mistake without a solid read. I know it shouldn't matter, but it also prevents tilty spewage when I fold and BTN scoops the pot with KK.

I don't recognise this game at all. How can you not bet the flop?

Do you routinely donk into pre-flop 4 bettors with 77 on A-6-4 flops?

I don't routinely do much at all. I don't play enough.

It's a 17sb pot. Either someone has and ace or they don't. A bet may just take the pot down.

That's my logic anyway.

I think you might be able to FSDR the turn here, and hope btn folds JJ, and that UTG is dicking around.

betting flop would be a travesty ST, we aren't exactly pumped when ace flops in a 4 way pot capped preflop

Isn't a FSDR a raise one that you can fold to a 3 bet? Here I don't think we can if this happens.

I thought about making a FSDR here; however, I didn't think button was capable of folding QQ-KK type hands here from past history (probably should have included this in OP). Once he checks this flop I think he is determined to get to showdown as cheaply as possible; not that calling 2 on turn is cheap, but I thought he would have.

We can't, but we could fold to a river bet pretty easily. It would be more of an isolation raise. J_Locke may be right about BTN being showdown bound though, especially considering the river action.

what is exactly wrong with his game?

does no1 thinks of folding the rievr? also why bet the river when all the draws got there , i know it sounds nitty but dont u think there must be some 5 out there or 2 clubs - after the turn action?

I was referring to OP description that UTG would frequently 3-bet OP's UTG open raise pf with A6o.

With respect to the draws, I think that we can initially (when checked to on the river) discount the likelihood of the flush draw somewhat, as it was a backdoor draw.

Also, I would not have expected a 5 to form a large part of the UTG's pf raise or even the loose BTN's pf cap.

I was thinking the same, until showdown where 1 hand contained a 5 and the other the 2 of clubs.

after the turn bet from utg and a call from btn i would expect nothig else than a flush draw or a 5. i think that in a pot this big even if there was a bet on the flop, 2clubs are calling 1sb to see their draw.

i like the way this was played. going for overcalls in this spot seems fine. if theres no one left to act behind us i think 3-betting becomes a more viable option...

we have like 100% of the river callers range crushed so why not attempt to extract an extra bet from that range (in which case we need to be ahead less often) instead of raising, often inducing folds from the caller, and trying to get a bet from a range of hands that may have an edge against our set.

UTG's line is unusual. he's raising you & theres already 1 caller behind... seems like its never a bluff & there aren't many value raises i can think of on this board that you beat.... again the other player in the hand tends to make me less likely to 3-bet.

the only scenario which supports a 3-bet is like... preflop capper has like TT-KK... UTG has AK and is reading our hand as marginal/good Ax hands that will attempt to value bet often enough.

im for FSDR'ing turn, button and SB will have a tough time calling pairs slightly higher than yours, also it will be difficult for opponent to 3bet here with a naked ace, if he 3bets then it is tricky and just a combo counting problem, it looks like he bet a FD on the turn like QKs which didn't probably have the fold equity to bet, but just didnt see it, once river hits i cant imagine doing anything different, I mean you have almost the top of your range and the pot is huge, thus I'd never be folding it

Sorry I can't get past BTN's double river overcall with QQ-KK

yeah but i wouldn't want to be in his spot against unknowns. 16.5:1, closing the action... vs this postflop spot. 8% needed to call for 100% tilt avoidance may work for some folks.