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Old 07-22-2012, 11:18 PM   #1
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on the river

villain is 23/8/0 over 13 hands. no reads. considering how villain plays this hand i'm guessing he's not great at poker.

my question is what to do on the river. i want to raise, but i'm scared.

Merge - $1/$2 (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: $111.57
UTG: $36.57
MP: $46.96
CO: $220.52
Hero (BTN): $36.49
SB: $50.00

SB posts SB $0.50, BB posts BB $1.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero has J T

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $2.00, SB calls $1.50, fold

Flop: ($5.00, 2 players) 6 3 9
SB bets $1.00, Hero calls $1.00

Turn: ($7.00, 2 players) T
SB bets $2.00, Hero raises to $4.00, SB raises to $6.00, Hero calls $2.00

River: ($19.00, 2 players) J
SB bets $2.00, Hero...
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Old 07-23-2012, 05:18 AM   #2
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Re: on the river

Call. r/f isn't much of an option with this little of a read. Thus, we need to be good in the 60-67% area. It's hard to come up with the combos needed to balance out 87/sets here.
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Old 07-23-2012, 11:17 AM   #3
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Re: on the river

I just call, I wouldnt like to call a 3bet on these river. If your scarred of raising what is your plan is the villain re raise? are you going to call or fold?
given the aggression the villain has shown after his PF cold call I expect him turn have a set or suited cards quite often.

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Old 07-23-2012, 01:43 PM   #4
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Re: on the river

My initial reaction was to raise/call, but after going through stove its definitely just a call.

I think if the river was the Jc instead of the Jh, we should consider R/C on the river. We now beat all his 6xhh/9xhh combo's he'll B/C on the river with.
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Old 07-23-2012, 06:59 PM   #5
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Re: on the river

I think villain beats 2 pair here at least 50% of the time , just call river imo
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Old 07-25-2012, 02:02 PM   #6
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Re: on the river

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If your scarred of raising what is your plan is the villain re raise? are you going to call or fold?
i think vs. an unknown i'd have to call a 3bet, but i would not be loving it.
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Old 07-28-2012, 05:05 PM   #7
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My initial reaction was to raise/call, but after going through stove its definitely just a call.

I think if the river was the Jc instead of the Jh, we should consider R/C on the river. We now beat all his 6xhh/9xhh combo's he'll B/C on the river with.
Jh is a better river card to raise than Jc since his 3bet range will be so much smaller
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Old 07-29-2012, 04:14 AM   #8
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Jh is a better river card to raise than Jc since his 3bet range will be so much smaller
At 1-2 limit I would not feel comfortable raise folding against a complete unknown, although you will probably be punished less.
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Old 07-29-2012, 07:25 AM   #9
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Re: on the river

Your options are c, r/c or r/f. Against an unknown, your worst choice is r/f.

I gave him a twopair or better range at turn. Vs. this range you have 62% equity. r/c wouldn't be a big mistake but call seems better. imo;

c > r/c >>> r/f
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Old 07-30-2012, 01:10 PM   #10
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Jh is a better river card to raise than Jc since his 3bet range will be so much smaller
This may be true, but it completely ignores the fact the 3rd heart on the river hits villain's range and a river raise will have less value to begin with.
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Old 07-31-2012, 01:29 PM   #11
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Re: on the river

it hits villain's range?
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Old 07-31-2012, 03:39 PM   #12
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it hits villain's range?
Sure it does. As I've already mentioned 6xhh or 9xhh, for example.
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Old 07-31-2012, 03:41 PM   #13
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Re: on the river

those hands aren't at all consistent with a turn 3-bet
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Old 07-31-2012, 08:21 PM   #14
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those hands aren't at all consistent with a turn 3-bet
Well I disagree.
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Old 07-31-2012, 10:28 PM   #15
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Re: on the river

well either way i think we can agree it's a small number of combos relative to his overall range
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