assume 5/10-15/30, standard 35/15ish blinds. I think I might be playing over aggro with trixy hands, your KJo/KTs/QTs/ATo/66 type hands..

What is your minimum CO 3-betting hand if a ~30/20 opens UTG?
HJ?

How bout Button and he opens UTG?
HJ?
CO?

Sb UTG?
HJ?
CO?
Button?

vs UTG raise

MP
77, ATs, AJo, KQs

CO
add 66, ATo

BT
add 55, A9s, KQo

vs MP raise

CO
55, A8s, A9o, KTs, KJo, QJs

BT
add 44, A8o, A7s

SB standards for all should probably be close to CO raises since you lose position but there's two less people behind you.

I agree with Leader on most. I think KJo and QJs in the CO vs HJ are marginal and I'd rather 3-bet A7s

3-betting to light in the HJ is a leak many have. KQo for example. Even against a 30/20 guy thats a bad 3-bet in the MP.


- If someone caps TT, AQs, AKo behind us we have around 20-22% eq 3-way. Someone behind us will have a hand in that range with about 10% probability

- If UTG caps same range we have 28% eq HU. UTG will cap with around 25% prob

- If UTG calls his opening range less TT, AQs, AKo we have around 46% eq HU. He will call with around 75% prob

We need a ****load of fe or postflop edge to make up for that

Yeah this was a pretty big leak of mine too. I would pretty much always pop ATo/KQo even against pretty passive guys. In fact my 3-betting range was pretty monotone at one point. That's probably something a lot of people could work on.

that is a good post oink

ive been guilty of the same ****

yeah i fold 77/KQo/ATo and even AJo vs. guys i know who have a ~16-18% UTG opening range.

I'm pretty sure KQo>ATo against a utg even with a worst equity. If someone caps, we are in a better shape with KQo (I stove 18.9% vs 20.8%). We don't lose a lot money when we make a snd best hand when we hit an ace. We can fold a pocket pair with an ace on the flop. KQo is even better against a HJ raise can get a fold of weak AXo quite often.

yea agree that KQo > ATo

more bluffing/semibluffing potential b/c we can fold out better hands (A high) and it is dominated by less hands

plus more likely to get paid off by small pairs when you flop TP Ks or Qs vs TP As

KQ dominated by:
AA*6 KK*3 QQ*3 AK*12 AQ*12 = 36

AT dominated by:
AA*3 AJ*12 AQ*12 AK*12 = 39!

you didnt count tt either HEY HEY HEY

thats all fine with the dominated hands.

But when the board is 2236J AT starts looking a lot better than KQ

In todays games where people show down A8 vs a 3-bet on low board our fe with KQ is worth less

EDIT:

Another way of saying this is that KQ may be dominated by less hands but it also dominates less hands. AT dominates A9, A8, A7s, A6s, A5s, whereas KQ only dominates KJ and KTs, maybe K9s

player with 40% attempt to steal opens in the CO.

what do you guys 3bet on the button?

no way to answer that without info on BB

what about

1. tight BB (fold to steal 60%)

2. loose BB (fold to steal 30%)

Its not that kind of info that is important but whether BB will fold for 2 but call 1 a lot.

With a lot of marginal holdings like JTs and A6s here you want to call and not 3-bet if BB isnt folding to 3

It also depends on how SD bound CO is


With a tight BB and a normal LAGTAG/TAG CO
44,A5s,A7o,K9s,KTo,Q9s,QJo,J9s,T9s,98s

With a loose BB and a very SD bound CO I

3-bet
88, A9s, ATo, KJs, KJo
Call
22-77, A2s-A8s, A8o-A9o, K7s-KTs, KTo, Q9s-QJs, QJo, J9s-JTs, T8s-T9s, 98s, 87s


That is assuming low rake game with a 1/2 structure.


What you want to think about here is not what hands to play as a default but why which hands can be played in what scenarios and why. why why why?

Wrong, what we want are the right answers written out in plain text.

Your posts are awesome Oink.