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08-12-2016 , 03:11 AM
BU good LAG aggro pf ( 3bet A7o sb a BU opener, 55 on BU a CO opener ) and do not make much mistake postflop
Do not bluff mindlessly and can bet thin for value too.
double barrel kinda a lot.

SB Unknown kinda except i know in blind war he c/r second pair and he can donk when hit top pair with a draw on turn.



[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37412858

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9 9
MP folds, Hero raises, BTN 3-bets, SB calls, BB folds, Hero calls

I usually do not cap 3 way but i might have to start doing it because seem some strat to ran me over.
But the BU plays pretty good so i try to hide much has possible my range to play better postflop.
I should be ahead of his range here.

Flop: (10 SB) K J 3 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets, SB calls, Hero ?

Well not a good flop and it is pretty drawy too.
Meaning if i am ahead i can be outdraw easily and if i am behind i only have 2 outs.
if SB fold i would take one off and probably call down if the boards do not worsen but when SB c/c 3 bet in SB and call the flop bet can i really call here ?
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08-12-2016 , 11:53 PM
id peel and see what happens on the turn. i highly doubt you lack sufficient equity to call.

if the turn is some brick just c/c again, if its a non-board pairing broadway card, fold

i dont see any point in capping pre. in fact i dont see much point in capping pre with anything in this spot.

Last edited by KitCloudkicker; 08-13-2016 at 12:02 AM.
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08-13-2016 , 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by KitCloudkicker

i dont see any point in capping pre. in fact i dont see much point in capping pre with anything in this spot.
Because he 3bet me wide, i have to tighten up .
So if i have to tighten up in the CO, reducing my expectation by a fair margin, mind as well cap him with a superior range ( since i tighten up) and slow him down by capping often, so i could loosen up pf eventually .
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08-13-2016 , 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Montrealcorp
Because he 3bet me wide, i have to tighten up .
So if i have to tighten up in the CO, reducing my expectation by a fair margin, mind as well cap him with a superior range ( since i tighten up) and slow him down by capping often, so i could loosen up pf eventually .
why would he slow down?

just call his 3-bets, and then postflop just call him down lighter and punish him with value by cring flops/turns

one thing that capping does is give you initiative, which is not always a good thing to have against a player like this. do you really want to start 4betting with like KQo and then autocbetting flops against this guy? i would argue the passive approach is better and gives you more postflop flexibility.
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08-14-2016 , 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by KitCloudkicker
why would he slow down?

just call his 3-bets, and then postflop just call him down lighter and punish him with value by cring flops/turns

one thing that capping does is give you initiative, which is not always a good thing to have against a player like this. do you really want to start 4betting with like KQo and then autocbetting flops against this guy? i would argue the passive approach is better and gives you more postflop flexibility.
Yes but i feel i lose value for not being able to get in raises postflop because he will play good like folding early in the hand and taking lot of free card.
So i figure capping him makes the pot bigger and since i have a better range, i should win in the long run if he do not adjust and it makes call down light easier because the pot gets bigger when i cap.
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08-14-2016 , 12:28 PM
so if you capped pre this hand, cbet and both players called, the turn bricks, now what?

or you cap pre, you bet the flop he raises the other guy folds. the turn bricks, now what?

maybe its just a stylistic thing, but when i struggled for a long time online i realized a lot of it was due to me driving the action unnecessarily. ive since adopted a much more passive postflop approach.
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08-14-2016 , 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by KitCloudkicker
so if you capped pre this hand, cbet and both players called, the turn bricks, now what?

or you cap pre, you bet the flop he raises the other guy folds. the turn bricks, now what?


maybe its just a stylistic thing, but when i struggled for a long time online i realized a lot of it was due to me driving the action unnecessarily. ive since adopted a much more passive postflop approach.
Well being OOP and capping ( of course we talk vs a guy with a wide 3 bet range) at least makes him pay a higher price to 3 bet me and since i tighten up i should have a better range for the turn play.
Pot is bigger so easier to peel light too for not getting bluff out too much.

I dont know, i have so much trouble extracting max value vs him ( because i am OOP) i rather jam it pf where at least i know i am a favorite right there and probably often on the flop too.

Even if i loose value after on turn and river at least i got some on previous street while if i do not 3bet it seem i loose it all, win the min and loose the max.
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08-16-2016 , 07:13 PM
I'd call. It sucks and it's never fun, but I think given our reads, it's unlikely BTN will barrel turn if we aren't beat. Plus the lack of aggression from SB leads me to think he's not made yet (he'd have put in aggressive action w/ Kx or even a decent Jx according to your OP).

I think we could fold turn but I'd usually check and maybe call (if SB check folds the turn) with intent of showing down and feeling like a fish when I'm shown AJ.
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