I was there, dude, hand 2 had EVERYTHING to do with hand 1. I didn't save the chat beratements and death-wishes that happened between the 2.

We agree on hand 1. Completely a metagame play. Very non-standard.

Alright seriously, deny implied tilt odds all you like, but here's a serious question...

Suppose you have a guy to your right who tries to steal the blinds EVERY time it's folded to him on the BTN. Aren't you going to 3 bet light just once and try to get him to settle down a bit?

I know if I were beating up on some nitty tight players in the blinds and the SB 3 bet me with JTo 1 time and we get to showdown so I see his hand, I will adjust by not opening ATC if it's folded to me on the BTN any more. Now you can make a case for saying 54s is not the hand with which to take a stand, but that was my reason for doing it here. Totally non standard. But what would you do, ZOMG?

I'll add that 3 betting 54s didn't get him to stop trying to steal so much but it did wonders for my implied tilt odds for the next 20 minutes or so until he calmed down.

I never denied implied tilt odds. Your pf is bad, but is your turn play thats god awful

No. I'm going to be 3 betting him a lot. why would you want a to stop a guy from opening the btn 100%?

OK now this is getting good.

Suppose you've seen the guy make a few river calls with K9-hi. Therefore, you have very little fold equity and with anything that has marginal/no showdown value, there's a good chance it will require you to fire 3 barrels.

What exactly will you open there? Anything without an A or K in it or a pocket pair is pretty much worthless in such game conditions, yes?

I'd like to point out that this is what makes your turn play so amazing.

If you truly believed any of this I find it hilarious you decided to war with 5 high. depends how large his opening range really is. I'd be 3 betting any two broadways, suited Q's, and a lot of connectors depending on how well he played post flop

Dealt to 2_Basic [9c 9s]
2_Basic: raises $2 to $4
MuckITBoy: folds
georgyguns: calls $4
NicP: raises $2 to $6
oliverklosov: folds
jvc336: calls $4
2_Basic: raises $2 to $8
Betting is capped
georgyguns: calls $4
NicP: calls $2
jvc336: calls $2
*** FLOP *** [Jh 8d 3d]
jvc336: checks
2_Basic: bets $2
georgyguns: calls $2
NicP: calls $2
jvc336: calls $2
*** TURN *** [Jh 8d 3d] [Tc]
jvc336: checks
2_Basic: checks
georgyguns: checks
NicP: bets $4
jvc336: raises $4 to $8
2_Basic: calls $8
georgyguns: folds
NicP: calls $4
*** RIVER *** [Jh 8d 3d Tc] [Th]
jvc336: bets $4
2_Basic: raises $4 to $8
NicP: folds
jvc336: calls $4
*** SHOW DOWN ***

OK...so on the turn ...where do u guys think i'm at? IN terms of best hand?

1. What is my assumption hand range for NicP-session stats- 56hands/19.3PF/15.3PFR)???
2. Why did I think jvc336 was doing with his raise?? session stats- (32hands/48.5PF/37.2PFR)

River...I give myself an A-grade rating that i've got best hand..
NicP...I give D rating
jvc336 - F

I've put NicP on 2 hands....AQ or 99 at best...I really think he had AQ but he wouldn't answer me for $5!!! Grrrr

lol

Hand one is terrrrible. PF is bad and turn is super gross.

Implied tilt odds obviously exist, but I don't think you actually took this line for metagame purposes. I think this idea is slightly better at higher limits where you're going to play with the same 30-40 deep player pool all the time, but at 3/6 it's way too easy for villain to quit and find other games whenever he wants.

Oh and fwiw if I was villain after hand 1 I wouldn't even be on tilt, I'd just be like "ok, this guy is probably a total spewfish".

pf cap is spew

ugh. thats like a million and half hands. How do people do that and not want to shoot themselves?

lol. 1.8 million hands. **** me. why would you do that to yourself

whats funny is that he's like 24 tabling 1/2 now trying to finish his sne run after getting his ass handed to him at 2/4 through 5/10

he's not there yet? if that graph is 1.8 million hands then at least 1.3-1.5 are in '09 that so gross.

ELO...do u play yahoo fantasy basketball?

This month is a total joke. Can't remember, if I ever was so lucky.

This guy is possibly a barometer for the toughness of the games. See, he's break even for so long playing off his chart or whatever, but then the games slowly gets tougher and his style isn't working anymore. Of course, I'm sure he just played worse and worse as well, but it's kind of funny to think of a guy going through a set strategy while the game changes around him.

He's trapped. The last $30k for hitting SN make it all worth it. If he doesn't get that last money plus the additional 1.5 FPP/VPP, this whole year was a total waste (more so than it already was). No matter what happens, he has to finish if he can. You almost have to feel sorry for the guy; as it gets worse and worse he's had more incentive to continue.

lol funny how you spray them over in paint after you have made the screenshot rather then uncheck the limits you don't want to show in HEM before

i disagree -- notice that his downward slope started around the beginning of the year -- this is probably when he started mass-tabling for his SNE run

fwiw, his style was doomed for failure to begin with -- he's something like 19/13

for the hidden limits:
you should loosen up, raise more, 3-bet more and win more at showdown.

They do want to shoot themselves. They just haven't gotten around to it yet because all they do is grind.

you should read my edit imo

stop playing fullring

I played $1/2 FR with that guy in 2007 a lot. FWIW, he was one of the few decent players at the limit back then. I guess he just spends his time putting in volume at FR instead of working on his game.

Re: 54s 3-bet v. BTN spewbox. These are ideal cold calling conditions if the BB is a fish, or even just sort of bad. Why are you 3-betting? You have no showdown value and no implied fold equity. There are a bevy of hands you can 3-bet for value against 100% range.