You work at a casino, you should know people do this all day live.

But that is because that dealer is unlucky, and that seat is unlucky, and that_pope just walked away with 6 racks, so that seat he just left must be the luckiest in the casino, and I want that one!

No poker.

Fish: Why do you keep moving?
CJ: To watch the football game

an hour later

Fish: Why do you keep following me
CJ: Now I want to watch the other game

2 hours later

Fish: Why do you keep sitting on my left?
CJ: Now I want to watch that other game.
Fish: Who's playing?
CJ: Falcons vs ...Timberwolves??
Fish: Did you just name an NFL team and a NBA team?
CJ: We need a new setup!!!

I don't remember his graph, but I think $100/hr is doable in the Commerce 1/2 which I think was his main grind game. They say 1 bet/hour is solid for an expert so if he was claiming half of that it seems like a very doable result.

I would be wary of any sort of live results/extrapolation based on a small sample size obv - same as for us if we have a small sample online.

@ JPH - I would be pretty surprised if $100/hr were sustainable over a big long-run sample in the Bellagio 30.

I really wonder what he would say about this, I remember him saying multiple times that he could crush online high stakes games, cause the regs are so horrible but he just hates playing online so that's why he doesn't do it. Then he started it one day and since then he's been steadily working his way down to the micros. I'm dying to hear him bragging about his poker skills now.

i also hate nlhe, but i would crush it if would play it

have you played it live? you really would. it's lol. more lol than pokerbob.

meh, i thought about playing it when i was in portugal, but the rake was way too high imo. stupid casino...

Awesome! The wait lists are overflowing with crap TAGs trying to grind their stupid VPP milestones because it is the only money they will ever make playing this game. I want them all to die.

zombies can't die afaik

Reading live players trying to talk about online poker is maybe my favorite thing about these forums.... But online players talking live poker is pretty funny too.

If you're constantly playing at full tables, making 1 BB/hour in any live 1/2 game is phenomenal. The games may be soft, the regs in those games may make frequent mistakes, but live 100/200 games do tend to have some decent/very good players in them. When you're playing a full game with 7 meh TAGs, and 2 loose-passives, it's pretty ****ing tough to win 4 BB/100.

Now, if you can play lots of shorthanded, that's a different story. More hands per hour, more opportunities to play hands, more chances to exploit your opponents, etc. Under optimal conditions, you can certainly have a better hourly rate than 1 BB/hour... But good luck keeping those conditions for very long, especially when you're playing for high stakes in LHE Mecca.

Live poker is all about grinding out the small winrate hours while waiting for the great spots to come up. And then, you need to be disciplined enough to never leave that great spot, no matter if you're OMG UP THREE RACKS OF CHIPS.

Or stuck 6 racks and falling asleep at the table.


lol racks

obviously i meant three buyins

Live poker is about never running bad.

many live pros say they never had a 100BB downswing

You could sit HU to gamecreate?

Whatever, if pokerbob can beat it ... but yeah, I see your point.

good luck with that

Pokerbob's an *******, and not nearly as good as he thinks he is. But he's not an idiot. He's right that people accustomed to playing 300+ hands an hour of 6max LHE in super-aggressive games have a difficult transition to 25 hands an hour of a more passive, full ring game. But he apparently just takes that to mean that all online players are live fish, which is so wrong it's funny.

FWIW, 1 BB/hour is probably attainable for very good players in your average 20/40ish game. Those games have lots of fish, and the play of the other "good" players is not actually any good.

Very important to do this.

I have played lots of live limit between 30 and 1-2 (although less than 200 hours at 1-2) and I think 1Bb/he is very doable with some game selection when playing bigger and like BOC said the ability to play sh whenever possible. While, I've only played with Bob a few times, I think he would have been a favorite in most 1-2 games I have played. Whether or not this is sustainable I don't know as I played in a dew games this summer that were super tough that would not run online if everyone knew go each other was (luckily someone in game was nice enough to tell me who everyone was and I got to quit before playing a game I likely could not have beaten).

You're pretty LAG and good at poker from what I know so you're still awesome!

I like to game create, but not when there are like 10+ HU specialists doing the same thing at every limit. When I do game create, I usually get one fish every 30-45 minutes sitting at 3-4 different limits. There's also the weird regs who decided they want to play with me, but that's about the last thing I want to do when multi-tabling. My plan is to just let the HU specialists do all the work until they get tired of me and leave the site and I can actually game create again. So far it isn't working

pretty much

can anyone who has played 20/40+ comment on this? i always assumed i would need a 300BB bankroll for 20/40 or 30/60, but maybe 100 to 200 would be enough

Sure. I fit in to a slimmish category that's played an awful lot of both.

1 live players are ******ed, don't listen to anything they say

there really is no number 2 or 3, just don't listen to anything anyone who's ever played poker in a casino has ever said about anything.

everyone is stupid

Yeah, it's false. I mean, I guess I never had a 200 BB downer in the year I spent as a live pro, but that's just lucky. A live year is like 100k hands. So you're not going to see your worst downer in every 100k hands. Over the course of a decade, there's a good chance you'll see some nastiness, though. Still, though, 3 BB/100 is probably a reasonable win rate for a typical live game.

Whos up for a 2_Basic 2/4 - 3/6 monthly PTR challenge???

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