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Old 12-05-2010, 11:15 PM   #25701
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this, there may be many 4handed pots which will make you not want to iso you weak offsuit Ax Kx Qx etc so much (with multiple limpers to you/loose players left to act) but you can overlimp tons of suited crap in position and even some offsuit connectors plus will be able to coldcall some decent suited hands/small pps when there are a few coldcallers already or very loose/not 3betting but always coldcalling fish behind.. So I don't agree that tightening up is the answer, you just need to adjust your preflop strategy.
This seems to be spot on! After playing a few sessions today I would have to say the aggression is way higher than at the dimes, but nearly everything you said applied to the games I was in. There is more aggression, quite a bit more cold calling which allowed me to look up my sets, OESDs, and flush draws. It didn't hurt that I ran pretty decent.
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Old 12-05-2010, 11:36 PM   #25702
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LSUfan, i played .25-.50c for the most part of this year before i moved up and it is an easy level to keep up 10+ tables at a time and be +ev at all of them. It is not necessary to have a strict table selecting criteria, but it will give you a higher wr to put a little effort into it. I have experimented with different preflop styles and have won with playing the nittiest to winning playing very loose-aggressive by most people's standards. Somewhere in between if you are going to play a lot of tables is a good idea. (The real skill comes from understanding table dynamics and flow, the conditions and appropriate adjustments, like which tables to play tighter or looser, and who to steal against and who not to steal against). If you are experienced in playing marginal hands more, go ahead and complete in the small blind more in multiway pots and steal w/ greater frequency, but if you are not, restrict yourself to fewer tables and start getting better in that area.
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Old 12-05-2010, 11:50 PM   #25703
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LSUfan, i played .25-.50c for the most part of this year before i moved up and it is an easy level to keep up 10+ tables at a time and be +ev at all of them ... The real skill comes from understanding table dynamics and flow
an you are aware of table dynamics and game flow on 10+ tables? cool story
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Old 12-06-2010, 12:00 AM   #25704
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daq, i don't claim to be an expert on poker, but he can take my advice for what it is from a person who has been a proven winner at .25-.50c for over 300k hands. And i didn't play all those hands just 1-tableing.

Yes, i am aware of game flow when i am playing the same people across that many tables and when i am just focusing on the poor players who are doing "interesting and noteworthy" actions. That statement was not intended to impress anybody, but any multi-tabler knows that the more you practice it, the better you get at it if you understand what you are doing.
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Old 12-06-2010, 12:02 AM   #25705
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I didn't say he shouldn't take your advice but mentioning game flow and table dynamics together with 10+ tabling makes me think you have a very different definiton of those terms than I do
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Old 12-06-2010, 12:06 AM   #25706
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imo it's almost impossible to keep up with game flow if you're playing that many tables.

just imagine a guy who just lost a big pot on one table and he's going to tilt. if you weren't in the hand, how are you going to notice that?
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Old 12-06-2010, 12:06 AM   #25707
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well maybe b/c it isn't complex at .25-.50c but i don't think it's hard to understand the moves very limited and narrow moves of 21/15-infested tables. Especially those that are tilting after being owned by a good palyer
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Old 12-06-2010, 12:08 AM   #25708
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i lose track at about 4 tables
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Old 12-06-2010, 12:10 AM   #25709
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i don't think it's hard to understand the moves very limited and narrow moves of 21/15-infested tables
you seem to be confusing game flow with reads and with understanding the general style of various player types
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Old 12-06-2010, 12:10 AM   #25710
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well maybe b/c it isn't complex at .25-.50c but i don't think it's hard to understand the moves very limited and narrow moves of 21/15-infested tables. Especially those that are tilting after being owned by a good palyer
there are good players at those stakes?
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Old 12-06-2010, 12:21 AM   #25711
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you seem to be confusing game flow with reads and with understanding the general style of various player types
you edited out the last part i said that showed i knew what i was talking about
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Old 12-06-2010, 12:43 AM   #25712
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imo it's almost impossible to keep up with game flow if you're playing that many tables.

just imagine a guy who just lost a big pot on one table and he's going to tilt. if you weren't in the hand, how are you going to notice that?
I find that if I play too few tables, I get bored and impatient and start forcing things and spewing like an idiot and develop fps from hell. That's probably just me though.
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Old 12-06-2010, 12:44 AM   #25713
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How are guys making Deposits nowadays? (US - pm me)
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Old 12-06-2010, 12:52 AM   #25714
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Distajo... I think I got the jist of what you were saying. I started out playing quite nitty today, and then slowly progressed to a more laggy style later in the day. I think I ended up playing very different at the different tables I was at, because they were obviously playing differently. Maybe some of the stuff I have read is starting to sink in. I am only playing 3-4 tables though, so its much easier to get a grasp on the action.

Thanks to everyone for the help! For what its worth, my first day at this level was a +100bb day
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Old 12-06-2010, 01:07 AM   #25715
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How are guys making Deposits nowadays? (US - pm me)
echecks. pm that

Last edited by La Peste; 12-06-2010 at 01:09 AM. Reason: i mean i don't know what it is like to make a deposit. but echecks withdrawals work great
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Old 12-06-2010, 01:23 AM   #25716
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there are good players at those stakes?
good in a relative sense
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Old 12-06-2010, 01:26 AM   #25717
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I find that if I play too few tables, I get bored and impatient and start forcing things and spewing like an idiot and develop fps from hell. That's probably just me though.
Same. I doubt it's just you. We both probably have minds they always like to be doing something. Sitting there and just one tabling commits me to do something else, I.E. focus on the television or an online flash game or the forums.
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Old 12-06-2010, 01:28 AM   #25718
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Distajo... I think I got the jist of what you were saying. I started out playing quite nitty today, and then slowly progressed to a more laggy style later in the day. I think I ended up playing very different at the different tables I was at, because they were obviously playing differently. Maybe some of the stuff I have read is starting to sink in. I am only playing 3-4 tables though, so its much easier to get a grasp on the action.

Thanks to everyone for the help! For what its worth, my first day at this level was a +100bb day
Nice, you are off to a good start. It's always sweet to rungood when you move up and if you ask anybody, it rarely happens to have good fortune like that. My advice is just stick to what you feel comfortable with, and add tables as you go on and builld a bigger database for your HUD. Good luck
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Old 12-06-2010, 01:31 AM   #25719
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Same. I doubt it's just you. We both probably have minds they always like to be doing something. Sitting there and just one tabling commits me to do something else, I.E. focus on the television or an online flash game or the forums.
It's more fun to play more tables and get more hands/hour. Besides being a wuss, one of the main reasons why i didn't take many shots at different stakes is because i liked playing more tables and having a nice edge down there. I also feel like it makes the time go by faster and motivates me to play more hands when i see that i've already played a couple thousand.
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Old 12-06-2010, 10:59 AM   #25720
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Well, so far for my spell at 2/4. 6000 hands in december and down just over 200bb, forcing me to drop down.

Worst thing is, I don't feel like I played all that bad. I'm sure I screwed up some hands, but overall I think I got coolerd a lot.
This could be the tilt talking though, since even just looking at the hh's makes me want to break stuff.

If someone would be willing to review some hands with me that'd be awesome.
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Old 12-06-2010, 11:53 AM   #25721
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Standard?
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Old 12-06-2010, 12:31 PM   #25722
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Standard?
yeah, that's the point, I don't know if it's normal variance or if there's something fundamentally and horribly wrong with my play.
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Old 12-06-2010, 12:32 PM   #25723
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Well, so far for my spell at 2/4. 6000 hands in december and down just over 200bb, forcing me to drop down.

Worst thing is, I don't feel like I played all that bad. I'm sure I screwed up some hands, but overall I think I got coolerd a lot.
This could be the tilt talking though, since even just looking at the hh's makes me want to break stuff.

If someone would be willing to review some hands with me that'd be awesome.
Yes, we will all jump at the chance to help an unknown poster who has contributed nothing to the community by giving them even more free advice and hopefully make the games tougher.
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Old 12-06-2010, 01:25 PM   #25724
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Yes, we will all jump at the chance to help an unknown poster who has contributed nothing to the community by giving them even more free advice and hopefully make the games tougher.
Wow kind of a dick no? Everyone starts somewhere. Do you also not reply to someone who posts a hand if they haven't dished out enough strat advice?
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Old 12-06-2010, 01:32 PM   #25725
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Yes, we will all jump at the chance to help an unknown poster who has contributed nothing to the community by giving them even more free advice and hopefully make the games tougher.
I understand your scepticism and it's not like I expect everyone to be excited to help me out, for obvious reasons ofcourse.
I just figured it couldn't do any harm asking.
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