***Official Stars Regs Thread***

[merryber]

Originally Posted by Scorcho

multiway when I have a strong but vulnerable hand and the preflop aggressor immediately after me

i donk in hopes of getting it heads up

i.e.:

UTG raises, MP calls, SB calls, I call with T8s on the BB.

Flop AT8. I don't want MP or SB in the hand at all and if I donk there's a good chance I can get UTG to raise his AJ/AQ/AK and make MP and SB fold whatever weak draws they have. So I'll donk. Plus then I can 3 bet if I so choose.

yeah a set is also a good example , also when i hold something like 67 and flop is a scary one that it is hard for the preflop raiser to c-bet like 459, 569, 487 etc...

[DonJuan]

Originally Posted by Black Aces 518

this! plus lots n lots of guys will define their hand for you, say the flop is T63 rainbow, some guys will raise the donk every time with their entire raising range, but lots will raise with, say, 99+, and flat call all their missed overcards and such. So you can define that guy's range, and donk/call, c/r turn is a good line against the first guy.

to me, anytime you say always or never about a general technique, you can't be optimal. It's funny to me when I see a guy with a big sample with a c-bet of 100. THAT is exploitable.

I mean at low limit hu a player can c-bet 100% he exploiting the fact the other guys folding too much+pot side. unless you are exploiting him back I am pretty sure that optimal.

[JDalla]

Originally Posted by timoK

I need to get the clues together:

175503



cant be that difficult to figure out the screen name

mwahahahaha I know the truth now!

[anfernee]

Originally Posted by merryber

don't know about that, i thought 175503 is a good player (?).

I have no idea about the quality of his/her play.
i was just saying that only one of those players was an MMTer that played 3/6.

[Kangster]

nice seal imo

[anfernee]

Originally Posted by Kangster

nice seal imo

ty. made it for micro limit hula.

should change your avatar to honey lee imo.

[OnTheRail15]

Two more things

1 who says the correct gto response to someone chking back flops is to donk? In fact, gto strategy doesn't change depending on your opponent's strategy. So the fact that your opponent is chking back flops shouldn't effect your overall strat at all.

There is a reason that donk betting isn't a big part of a pure gto strat: c betting is generally correct. If your opponent wants to pass up the opportunity to do so, generally, that's good for you.

I'll also question any strat that narrows your range signifigantly while your opponent's range is still very wide. Think of the info you give up as an exchange. You are trying to give as little for as much as you can.

I'm going to decline to comment on what I think the propper adjustment is to this kind of play for a couple of reasons.


First, a lot of very good players use chk backs as a big part of their arsenal to exploit some of the misconceptions floating around in this thread.


Second, I've spent a ton of time and effort exploring this very topic through my own study and through talk with very good players. I don't really feel the need to give anyone on the planet a shortcut through this work.


Third, i've given you all you need to figure it out. You just need to read between the lines and think a little. Most of you will probably continue to play the same which is fine by me.


2 I've said before that donking can be an okay exploitative measure against bad players. But often these players can be exploited even more using other tactics.

Like I've said, I have more experience playing against this player type than most. So I know what I'm talking about here.

[175503]

[ColeW123]

Originally Posted by 175503

Spoiler:

[Scorcho]

[ColeW123]

Spoiler:

[Unguarded]

OTR, could you please explain why I'm not supposed to open limp in the hijack? There's a lot of hands I want to play cheap, but I don't think they are good enough to raise. I think a lot of these people are just begging to be open limped. How should I use game theory to optimalize this strategy?

[OnTheRail15]

Originally Posted by Unguarded

OTR, could you please explain why I'm not supposed to open limp in the hijack? There's a lot of hands I want to play cheap, but I don't think they are good enough to raise. I think a lot of these people are just begging to be open limped. How should I use game theory to optimalize this strategy?

lol

[Paul Valente]

Originally Posted by merryber

all this talking about donking is when the pot is hu, correct? there are a few times donking seems a good play when its multi way, am i wrong here?

Originally Posted by Scorcho

multiway when I have a strong but vulnerable hand and the preflop aggressor immediately after me

i donk in hopes of getting it heads up

or in multiway pot, when first to act and you know last to act will raise, and u want to trap all the players in between.

[merryber]

i hate it when player use level in this forum, i always feel like my English isn't good enough (or my poker skills - but this is a constant feeling i have...).