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11-29-2008 , 08:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by henholland
what?
U think he is 3bet / folding KT on the turn here?

just out of curiosity: how many of u think K345 is a winner at 10/20?
im pretty sure he is
I dont, in fact I think he'd call down with it which is why against him I think playing a pair like the nuts in the easiest way to get max value out of him. Especially on a dry board like this because he just assumes you have nothing and goes nuts.

Depends on your definition of "winning." I bet he crushes bad players who give up in the face of his aggression, and dont take him to value town light enough. He never adjusts to anybody though, and often picks horrible, horrible spots to spew on the big streets. Against good players, it wont work and I'm sure he's a loser to most winning players. Anything higher than 10/20 and I bet he gets eaten alive.
11-29-2008 , 09:07 PM
BTN is K345

Poker Stars $10/$20 Limit Hold'em - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is UTG with K 6
1 fold, CO raises, BTN 3-bets, 2 folds, CO calls

Flop: (7.5 SB) 9 2 8 (2 players)
CO checks, BTN bets, CO calls

Turn: (4.75 BB) 9 (2 players)
CO checks, BTN bets, CO raises, BTN 3-bets, CO caps!, BTN calls

River: (12.75 BB) K (2 players)
CO bets, BTN calls

Final Pot: 14.75 BB
BTN mucks A K
CO shows 9 9 (four of a kind, Nines)
CO wins 14.65 BB
(Rake: $2.00)
11-29-2008 , 09:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZOMG_RIGGED!
Depends on your definition of "winning." I bet he crushes bad players who give up in the face of his aggression, and dont take him to value town light enough.
exactly.
Being too spewy postflop is hardly much of leak vs lots of the players at this level.
11-29-2008 , 09:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by henholland
exactly.
Being too spewy postflop is hardly much of leak vs lots of the players at this level.
Agreed. If he's a winning player or not, probably depends solely on how well he table selects
11-29-2008 , 09:28 PM
Quote:
Not really true. I dont think he makes any adjustments to any player. He has a set game plan and goes with it no matter the board or player. On Heis's board all he knows is that you dont have a 9 therefore your c/r has to be a bluff, so he'll go 12 BB's deep.
again, if he has undiscounted AJ AQ AK KT KJ KQ, the turn cap is already immediately -ev, and then the river bet is bad because he can still bomb you with good trips/straights/boats. just because he 3bets ace high sometimes there doesn't mean you need to cap and lead. it does mean that you should be more willing to check raise there with any kind of hand since he valuetowns himself, though.

there are also times he does fire another stupid barrel with K-high, too, imo. if you want to ignore that and do some math even assuming this ******ed 3-betting range, that would be better than saying anything else on the issue.

assume that he only value bets you if he pairs up on the river if you just call and that he'd raise you on the river with Q9+ or something if you cap/lead. if it's close in ev, then obviously cap/lead is worse than calling down.
11-29-2008 , 09:36 PM
I just came.

Poker Stars $1/$2 Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BB with A Q
3 folds, BTN raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, BTN caps!, Hero calls

Flop: (8.5 SB) Q Q 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: (4.25 BB) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets, BTN raises, Hero 3-bets, BTN caps!, Hero calls

River: (12.25 BB) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets, BTN raises, Hero 3-bets, BTN caps!, Hero calls

Final Pot: 20.25 BB
BTN shows A 6 (two pair, Queens and Fours)
Hero shows A Q (a full house, Queens full of Fours)
Hero wins 19.75 BB
(Rake: $1.00)
11-30-2008 , 01:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by henholland
what?
U think he is 3bet / folding KT on the turn here?

just out of curiosity: how many of u think K345 is a winner at 10/20?
im pretty sure he is
I think he has the ablility to be a decent winner ( if hes not already), same with SuitedKings. When they are on their A-game I think both are pretty strong players, but i see a lot of tilt coming from both players, that what we refer to as "spew", but k3454 actually plays me quite passive id say, after we had our earlier run ins. Granted i only played 150k total lhe hands the last 3 months, and NL before that since paradise shut down. ( anyone else played the 20-40 or 40-80 paradise games on here?)
11-30-2008 , 01:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BK1248
(anyone else played the 20-40 or 40-80 paradise games on here?)
played the 20-40 many years ago
11-30-2008 , 01:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chezlaw
played the 20-40 many years ago
remember me(bk1248) or jfthomas, we were usually top 5-10 on paradise total weekly player points, but this was 3-4 years ago, "many" seems longer ago? Was ur screename chezlaw on ther also?
11-30-2008 , 02:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BK1248
remember me(bk1248) or jfthomas, we were usually top 5-10 on paradise total weekly player points, but this was 3-4 years ago, "many" seems longer ago? Was ur screename chezlaw on ther also?
Chezlaw back then as well but it was about 7 years ago, Angelica was a famous name back then. I fairly quickly dropped down to the 3/6-10/20 5 max games.

I was one of their highest volume players but stopped playing there before they had points (shortly after they got bought out and the site went to the dogs). Can't recall if we played though your name is familiar.
11-30-2008 , 02:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by henholland
exactly.
Being too spewy postflop is hardly much of leak vs lots of the players at this level.
At 10/20 I agree, because I used to spew pretty hard and never really got punished for it, but at 15+ you will most likely get murdered if you consistenty spew. The trick is to find just the right amount vs decent players so they dont start doing anything silly like folding to you when you have it.
11-30-2008 , 10:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chezlaw
Chezlaw back then as well but it was about 7 years ago, Angelica was a famous name back then. I fairly quickly dropped down to the 3/6-10/20 5 max games.

I was one of their highest volume players but stopped playing there before they had points (shortly after they got bought out and the site went to the dogs). Can't recall if we played though your name is familiar.
Angelina was an aggro puta.
11-30-2008 , 01:53 PM
What is the story with play faster PL? He is supernova, appears to be a winner, plays 40/20, but usually sits down shortstacked, with $20 at 2/4.
11-30-2008 , 02:34 PM
What's the word on poopypants. All I know is I love his avatar. Gets me every time.

BTW any reads on me? DaveD123
11-30-2008 , 11:31 PM
dookiestain? seems like another 1/2 fpp whore.

I'm nikeoz on stars. I'm sure all u guys love me.
11-30-2008 , 11:55 PM
Just to add the k345 fun...CO here.


Poker Stars $10/$20 Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is UTG with 2 K
2 folds, CO raises, 1 fold, SB 3-bets, 1 fold, CO caps!, SB calls

Flop: (9 SB) 4 3 9 (2 players)
SB checks, CO bets, SB calls

Turn: (5.5 BB) 3 (2 players)
SB checks, CO bets, SB raises, CO calls

River: (9.5 BB) J (2 players)
SB bets, CO calls

Final Pot: 11.5 BB
CO mucks A Q
SB shows Q Q (two pair, Queens and Threes)
SB wins 11.35 BB
(Rake: $3.00)
12-01-2008 , 12:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jbgivers
Just to add the k345 fun...CO here.


Poker Stars $10/$20 Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is UTG with 2 K
2 folds, CO raises, 1 fold, SB 3-bets, 1 fold, CO caps!, SB calls

Flop: (9 SB) 4 3 9 (2 players)
SB checks, CO bets, SB calls

Turn: (5.5 BB) 3 (2 players)
SB checks, CO bets, SB raises, CO calls

River: (9.5 BB) J (2 players)
SB bets, CO calls

Final Pot: 11.5 BB
CO mucks A Q
SB shows Q Q (two pair, Queens and Threes)
SB wins 11.35 BB
(Rake: $3.00)
He didn't play this hand that bad
12-01-2008 , 12:36 AM
SB took a line of strength. Call down is awful
12-01-2008 , 12:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZOMG_RIGGED!
SB took a line of strength. Call down is awful
obv depends on the SB, it's right against some players.
12-01-2008 , 02:42 AM
zomg_rigged is leveling. anyway, that hand proves he doesn't just auto 3-bet ace high on the turn.
12-01-2008 , 09:20 AM
what the hell is spotty dottie doing?

He's short stacking 15/30 with less than $200 a table? He's buying in for 145, and once he rebought for 84.50? Cant imagine what he gets out of this rebuying for less than 6 BB's? 3 hands later he has AA vs JJ vs AK, and only has 60 in his stack and missed huge value.

I just cant imagine what the angle is when someone that good handicaps themselves like that
12-01-2008 , 10:12 AM
If k345 is a winner, he's probably a very marginal one, or a winner only after FPP rakeback. I recall that he used to play a lot nittier (just as I used to) and was overaggressive postflop. It seems to me as though he's just doing the same things he used to do but with a weaker hand range (surely this hurts his win rate?!).
12-01-2008 , 12:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by topspinner
What is the story with play faster PL? He is supernova, appears to be a winner, plays 40/20, but usually sits down shortstacked, with $20 at 2/4.
It's odd, there's a bunch of players like this at 2/4. They're like LAGTAGs who open limp and cold call too much, is there a term for that? LAGTAGFISH?

Bureaucrat1 is another that comes to mind right away.
12-01-2008 , 12:20 PM
Rent
12-01-2008 , 12:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZOMG_RIGGED!
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