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11-13-2008 , 07:12 AM
I dont know really.

Depends on your games. The more aggressive they are the more you need to call obv.

Having a fold to river bet much above 35 in aggro games is a mistake. Above 40 is way to high.

Fold to flop bet is just impossible to say anything brilliant about. If you play almost solely HU pots it prolly shouldnt be above 20 but I dont know. If you rarely pla HU pots but a lot of 3, 4 and 5 way pots you can obviously fold a lot more. Maybe as much as 50%. But again I dont know.
11-13-2008 , 10:43 AM
is there any merit in looking at your graph in PokerEV? also just wondering if its possible to have a positive number for non-showdown winnings?
11-13-2008 , 10:59 AM
Is there any way too look at positional stats on HEM like u can on PT?
11-13-2008 , 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by LanXang
Is there any way too look at positional stats on HEM like u can on PT?
Reports --> "Select Report Name from List" Drop Down Menu --> Positions
11-13-2008 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by NinaWilliams
My af is 1.97 which is weird because I seem to have a more passive style than most.

Also its interesting how my af decreases at higher limits.

2.04 at 10/20
1.98 at 15/30
1.86 at 30/60.
This is completely normal as you are properly adjusting for higher aggression of your opponents.
11-13-2008 , 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by GutPunch
is there any merit in looking at your graph in PokerEV? also just wondering if its possible to have a positive number for non-showdown winnings?
It's definitely possible. In HU it's very common for winning players to have positive non-showdown winnings and negative showdown winnings. I think the more players there are at the table, the less likely non-showdown winnings are to be positive. But it really depends on game conditions and playing style.
11-14-2008 , 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Absolution
1BB/100, Standard deviation of 21BB/100, 1 million hands:



200K break even stretch, multiple 1000BB+ downswings and a 200K hand stretch running at 2BB/100.
how big of an impact does small change in STDV have on the "smoothness" of the graph? i have played 140k hands filtered for 5-6 handed and stakes between .25/.50 and 2.00/4.00. my STDV is showing in HEM as 16.99 for this sample. now, i expect it to go up a bit now that im learning to play a bit laggier, but i don't think it will probably settle closer to 18.5 than it will to 21. will this DRASTICALLY reduce the chance of a 1000 big bet downer?
11-14-2008 , 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by normalcy
how big of an impact does small change in STDV have on the "smoothness" of the graph? i have played 140k hands filtered for 5-6 handed and stakes between .25/.50 and 2.00/4.00. my STDV is showing in HEM as 16.99 for this sample. now, i expect it to go up a bit now that im learning to play a bit laggier, but i don't think it will probably settle closer to 18.5 than it will to 21. will this DRASTICALLY reduce the chance of a 1000 big bet downer?
Probably not. More likely it will SIGNIFICANTLY reduce the chance of a 1000 BB downer. The best way to reduce the chance of a huge downer is to increase your winrate. Of course, the best thing about increasing your winrate is increasing your winrate. If only poker were that easy...

But like the graphs say, it's good to be Oink.
11-20-2008 , 06:36 PM
Anyone know how to figure out standard deviation on PT3.......?
11-21-2008 , 12:57 AM
Just hit my first 10k tracked hands here are my stats +graph:

STATS





GRAPHS





Is it even possible to get the redline above even in LHE? Im thinking no because people call all the way to the river way to often for it to be possible.

Anywyas Im just looking for your guys thoughts on areas that I can improve in. Things are going pretty good so far but I know theres always room to improve.


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11-21-2008 , 03:44 AM
i think your stat are very good for the limit, jut open a litle more on late position and steal more, 28% is low for a 26/17.

you are winning in the sb for 10k hands so thats def. a brag there.
11-21-2008 , 04:15 AM
Diceman

You are running hot. But gratz on that!

You seem to be poor at positional adjustments. Your vpip OTB isnt that different from UTG. It needs to be at least 50% higher and preferably close to twice as high. For a relatively tight guy you are also rather loose UTG and you defend your blinds a fair amount. OTOH your atsb is very low. Having it below 30 is a leak at any stake. Below 35 is never good either.

So if I were you Id try to think more about position and play more hands in position and less OOP or just unchanged OOP.
11-21-2008 , 05:26 AM
I don't have a big sample, I've bounced around a fair amount and haven't played a ton overall anyway, but these are my 3/6 stats 5 or 6 handed from this year.

I am way too tight, so any help on where I should look to add hands (everywhere perhaps is a valid answer) would be greatly appreciated.

Here are the general stats:


Incidentally, I'm assuming that everybody loses money on nonshowdown hands because we will fold postflop more often than our opponents but is it normal to be so high? I'm losing nearly 5 BB/100 on nonshowdown hands.

Here are the stats from each position when nobody has entered the pot yet, as well as for one limper:


And here are the stats when facing a raise and when facing a raise and a call. I probably shouldn't have bothered posting that last category because the sample sizes are probably absurdly low.



edit:

Meant to include my steal defend numbers. However HEM calculates it they are:
SB:
fold to steal raise - 87.5%
reraise steal raise - 12.5%
call steal (defend - reraise) - 0

BB:
fold to steal raise- 51.6%
reraise steal raise- 12.7%
call steal raise - 35.7%
11-21-2008 , 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by _Koby_
i think your stat are very good for the limit, jut open a litle more on late position and steal more, 28% is low for a 26/17.

you are winning in the sb for 10k hands so thats def. a brag there.

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Originally Posted by Oink
Diceman

You are running hot. But gratz on that!

You seem to be poor at positional adjustments. Your vpip OTB isnt that different from UTG. It needs to be at least 50% higher and preferably close to twice as high. For a relatively tight guy you are also rather loose UTG and you defend your blinds a fair amount. OTOH your atsb is very low. Having it below 30 is a leak at any stake. Below 35 is never good either.

So if I were you Id try to think more about position and play more hands in position and less OOP or just unchanged OOP.
Alright thanks alot for the help this is just what I was looking for. I have a quick question though. Do you think my stats will be alright for the $.5/$1 LHE 6 max or do you think because I am a pretty snug player I will get run over a bit?
11-21-2008 , 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by d1ceM@N
Alright thanks alot for the help this is just what I was looking for. I have a quick question though. Do you think my stats will be alright for the $.5/$1 LHE 6 max or do you think because I am a pretty snug player I will get run over a bit?
with a good table selection and movitation/willness to improve you will beat 0.5/1 easly imo.

never played 0.25/0.5, but the 0.5/1 is mutch more easy then 1/2 so i will asume theres a small gap between 0.25/0.5 and 0.5/1.

Ps: a good brm too
11-21-2008 , 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by _Koby_
with a good table selection and movitation/willness to improve you will beat 0.5/1 easly imo.

never played 0.25/0.5, but the 0.5/1 is mutch more easy then 1/2 so i will asume theres a small gap between 0.25/0.5 and 0.5/1.

Ps: a good brm too
Table selection is probably why I am doing so well right now. It really is more important then people think.

I have a pretty small sample at 0.5/1 and I did alright, nothing spectacular. I think it probably is pretty close to the same game.

And Ive been trying the points you and Oink pointed out this morning and I am up 45 BB already

Thanks for the help guys.
11-21-2008 , 01:59 PM







For the purists, WTSD is 38.25%, sorry 'bout making your eyes bleed with PO.


I think these stats are kinda representative, they are filtered for 5-6 handed (which is why its less than 10k) most of it is 3-4 tabling. I guess the biggst atrocities are found in the area of positional awareness and stealing blinds, I have just never been able to figure that part out, and I know its hurting my game when the tag:fish ratio increses . What I'm looking for is ideas on where the biggest leaks are and directions for starting to work on them (ie, should i both subtract hands in EP and add in LP or just add in LP or ...).

Also, if you want to make fun of my 3-handed game, now is your chance

Last edited by Xylocain; 11-21-2008 at 02:05 PM.
11-21-2008 , 02:36 PM
Your stats look fine, but your blind defense and steal is where you could loosen up. It almost looks like you play like me, but just tighter around the blinds. We play the same games and my blind steal is around 45, my folded to SB is 78 and my folded to BB is around 40. That right there probably accounts for the extra few % I have in VPIP and PFR over you. Just pay attention to the players behind you and open up your range accordingly. Sometimes the CO is basically the button, sometimes you only steal 35%, sometimes you steal 100%, etc... Also, I personally think the rake should not affect your play in these spots at a site like Stars.
11-21-2008 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by d1ceM@N
Table selection is probably why I am doing so well right now. It really is more important then people think.

I have a pretty small sample at 0.5/1 and I did alright, nothing spectacular. I think it probably is pretty close to the same game.

And Ive been trying the points you and Oink pointed out this morning and I am up 45 BB already

Thanks for the help guys.

I don't care what ppl say, table selection is the most important part of your game and your winrate. it feels silly selcting tables at .25/.5, as most of them are pretty good, but if you pick and chose you can find yourself sitting with a a few 60/5s and 45/30s all on one table if u look.

Imo, you need to loosen up if you plan to get to .5/1. i played about 25K hands at .25, winning 2.4/100 playing a very similar style to you. When you get to .5/1 though, there are lots of fish, but they tend to be alot more lagtard type fish rather than 60/5s you see at .25. they are still around though, and whenever you see limpers you should be isolating and attacking them postflop. I used to play a style that was pretty much identical to my .25 style at .5/1, but i got run over a bit, and simply by playing a bit looser (around 32/23 over my last 10K hands) i have found it to be very successful thus far.

it looks like you are running pretty sick in the sample you posted, being up in the sb is def a brag You should probably raise alot more otb and isolate fish, and defend your bb a bit less. idk if your utg range means much after only 10K hands, but if it stays that high it's definately a leak. also, your wtsd will need to be way higher if you wanna play .5/1. mine has gone up from 37 to 39, and i could still stand to go to sd a bit more probably. overall looks pretty good though, and i wish you gl at .5/1
11-22-2008 , 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by mosaicAce
I don't care what ppl say, table selection is the most important part of your game and your winrate. it feels silly selcting tables at .25/.5, as most of them are pretty good, but if you pick and chose you can find yourself sitting with a a few 60/5s and 45/30s all on one table if u look.

Imo, you need to loosen up if you plan to get to .5/1. i played about 25K hands at .25, winning 2.4/100 playing a very similar style to you. When you get to .5/1 though, there are lots of fish, but they tend to be alot more lagtard type fish rather than 60/5s you see at .25. they are still around though, and whenever you see limpers you should be isolating and attacking them postflop. I used to play a style that was pretty much identical to my .25 style at .5/1, but i got run over a bit, and simply by playing a bit looser (around 32/23 over my last 10K hands) i have found it to be very successful thus far.

it looks like you are running pretty sick in the sample you posted, being up in the sb is def a brag You should probably raise alot more otb and isolate fish, and defend your bb a bit less. idk if your utg range means much after only 10K hands, but if it stays that high it's definately a leak. also, your wtsd will need to be way higher if you wanna play .5/1. mine has gone up from 37 to 39, and i could still stand to go to sd a bit more probably. overall looks pretty good though, and i wish you gl at .5/1
I know for sure that I need to increase my WTSD when I move up. The only real reason I think that its so low right now is because people dont usually lie at these levels and by no standards are any of them tricky so sometimes I think I can save a bet by making a fold on the river.

I totally agree tho that this needs to get a bit better at $.5/$1 so Im working on it. Thanks for the advice man.
11-24-2008 , 07:29 PM
Could someone take a look at my most recent stats? i have sort of re thought my game after my downswing and started playing alot looser, isolating rather than limping etc. obv i run good in this sample, but does anyone see any serious leaks/stuff that could converge into leaks? im sure utg is on the loose side but how much am i off?

new and improved lagfish:




lifetime:


Last edited by Vitamin11; 11-24-2008 at 07:37 PM.
11-24-2008 , 08:40 PM
MosaicAce

dude your style is working but remember your sample is super small sometimes i play that many hands in one day lol. You could also be running hot. Keep up the good work and come back and post your stats when you have 15k hands or more.
11-24-2008 , 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by tw2238
MosaicAce

dude your style is working but remember your sample is super small sometimes i play that many hands in one day lol. You could also be running hot. Keep up the good work and come back and post your stats when you have 15k hands or more.
haha of course i ran hot! i will post again later tho
11-26-2008 , 02:26 AM
Currently having a shocker of a month, nething rly stand out from these stats?



Poz stats filtered for 5-6:



Detailed also filtered for 5-6:

11-26-2008 , 03:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Gib
Currently having a shocker of a month, nething rly stand out from these stats?



Poz stats filtered for 5-6:



Detailed also filtered for 5-6:

stats look good to me... just running like trash it looks like, although i notice your total aggression is a little low. maybe from missing the flop every time?

      
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