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11-28-2009 , 12:29 AM
rip me apart please. don't be gentle. struggling since moving up to 2/4. only 25k hands, so it could just be variance/running bad... but maybe not. here is a comparison of 1/2 and 2/4 stats side by side. these are all filtered for 5-6 handed. please point out imbalances and leaks and such. thanks.


11-28-2009 , 12:50 AM
normalcy:
your vpip/pfr looks pretty good altough the gap between the two is slightly too wide for my taste. Maybe coldcall less or stop limping/overlimping except for rare situations.
I would 3 bet a lot more 12-15% would be good
I would ramp up the postflop aggression to the 52 to 55 range
11-28-2009 , 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by ms1170
Hi all,

I’ve been playing 6 max .50/1.00 I’ve only been using stats for a few days, because I have a Mac. Beta testing Xypto, and these are the numbers it shows for me. I can see that there is not nearly as much info as Poker Tracker or Holdem Manager, but hopefully there is enough to get some solid advice. I’ve lost 2BB/100 and feel like I’ve run badly, but I’m not sure if that can be measured. These are the numbers. Thanks.

Hands 65,790, VPIP 25.7, PFR 15.8, 3bet 7.2, W$WSF 42.1, WTSD 44.1, W$SD 50.4, ATSB 30.0, BB Fo 53.1
Too tight preflop and the gap between vpip/pfr is too wide. Play more hands, and when you do play them raise and 3bet with them more than you are doing.
11-28-2009 , 01:10 AM
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Originally Posted by La Peste
UTG and in the blinds, but play even looser in late position. How do you have a 55 VPIP in the SB.
I ammend that, don't play looser in late position (just looked at my stats). Just play tighter in the blinds (especially SB).
11-28-2009 , 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by La Peste
I ammend that, don't play looser in late position (just looked at my stats). Just play tighter in the blinds (especially SB).
The high VPIP in SB its due because many times I have a passive BB and some limpers entered the pot (maybe 1/2) then I just complete ATC. Should I tone this down? I almost never ccall from the SB and I think I do not run too bad at SB.

Do you suggest to defend less the BB?
11-28-2009 , 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by ChapeauGris


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Ty La Peste
Take my advice FWIW as I'm not that great. Like La Peste already said opening up your range some more from all positions is a good start. Start by adding a couple more hands from each and then when you're more comforatable add more. Your flop c-bet looks a little low and your river c-bet looks a little high. Open up more from the button, 32% is way to low, if you're sitting next to 2 blinds that fold 50%+ you should try opening almost ATC's. WTSD at 40% is fine imo (I think La Peste shows down at like 45% but he's a luckbox and bumhunts like a mad man! ).

Get a membership at a training site if you don't already have one, Deucescracked is a good start b/c there's no sign up fee and have a lot of great LHE content. If you play at FTP, you can do the freepokertraining and get free memberships at Stox and Cardrunners. Also post trouble spots here and join in hand debates.
11-28-2009 , 04:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by La Peste
normalcy:
your vpip/pfr looks pretty good altough the gap between the two is slightly too wide for my taste. Maybe coldcall less or stop limping/overlimping except for rare situations.
I would 3 bet a lot more 12-15% would be good
I would ramp up the postflop aggression to the 52 to 55 range
do you think its strange that all of your recommendations i did more of at 2/4 than at 1/2 with the worse results? or is the sample size just too small to draw any conclusions about it?

cold called less at 2/4
3bet more at 2/4
higher postflop aggression at 2/4
11-28-2009 , 04:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by normalcy
do you think its strange that all of your recommendations i did more of at 2/4 than at 1/2 with the worse results? or is the sample size just too small to draw any conclusions about it?

cold called less at 2/4
3bet more at 2/4
higher postflop aggression at 2/4
Hard to say exactly what is. I'd venture to say that is part sample size and part tougher limit. The stats look almost the same to me though between the stakes, and I definitely stand by my recommendations.

I didn't know that you were a mod on stox, btw
11-30-2009 , 03:14 PM




Not enough posiotionally aware? Not stealing enough? Going to showdown too much? Anything else?
11-30-2009 , 10:26 PM
filtered for 3+, 98%+ 8/16, 10/20 and 15/30. not a big difference in my SB stats if you took out the 15/30 too in case you were wondering... i have a three bet range in early position bc i forgot i have a few hundred full ring hands, don't want to bother uploading the pic again though, doesn't change much.

i figure i'd post one of these since its my very first month back at 6max in basically a year or more. small sample, just wondering if anything jumps out. the red circle around BB river call efficiency is the only real leak i see. something i am going to work on, seems people are a little better at hand reading than i give them credit for and triple barrel against the BB a lot less with complete air.



these are all my default stats i look at when i do analysis too. i think i am leaving a lot out. any favorites i am missing? i don't want to get into too much postflop line-based stuff (river c/r, turn cbet etc) since that is so much less static. especially session to session.
11-30-2009 , 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by TylerMes
filtered for 3+, 98%+ 8/16, 10/20 and 15/30. not a big difference in my SB stats if you took out the 15/30 too in case you were wondering... i have a three bet range in early position bc i forgot i have a few hundred full ring hands, don't want to bother uploading the pic again though, doesn't change much.

i figure i'd post one of these since its my very first month back at 6max in basically a year or more. small sample, just wondering if anything jumps out. the red circle around BB river call efficiency is the only real leak i see. something i am going to work on, seems people are a little better at hand reading than i give them credit for and triple barrel against the BB a lot less with complete air.



these are all my default stats i look at when i do analysis too. i think i am leaving a lot out. any favorites i am missing? i don't want to get into too much postflop line-based stuff (river c/r, turn cbet etc) since that is so much less static. especially session to session.
Showdown stats of 44.3/49.8, and you are killing it!!! I am not the only showdown monkey now. Your stats look almost identical to my stats over the last couple months, so obviously they are exactly optimal.
11-30-2009 , 10:48 PM
now that i have your validation La Peste I am going to have to take a shot at the 100 game.
11-30-2009 , 11:00 PM
What does River Call Efficiency mean, mine is 2.18, what is a good range for that.
11-30-2009 , 11:15 PM
its the amount of money you get back for every dollar you call the river with. so (RCE-1) is your ROI for river calls.

so if you played perfectly you'd only call in spots where your river call efficiency is >1 (but not too high that a raise is warranted) for that particular situation. its a relatively new stat to the holdem world and i don't think people know what 'perfect' is. but 1.17 over a large sample is a massive leak. most people seem to be in the low 2s i would be suspicious of anything under 1.8 or over 2.5 personally. but i am not an expert on this...

it alone doesn't necessarily tell you much. imagine a fish who makes tons of horrible crying calls but also regularly calls with hands he should raise. the first effect lowers RCE the second raises RCE, so the net result might be a perfect looking RCE when in fact the fish is playing absurdly.

Last edited by TylerMes; 11-30-2009 at 11:26 PM.
12-01-2009 , 05:51 PM
filtered for 5-6 players I have WTSD 36 and W$SD 52.6 for the year, 55k hands, 35k 2-4 and 10k each 3-6 and 1-2.

Does this seem like I am running bad? I see people with WTSD of a few to several points higher than me but similar or only slightly lower W$SD.

Could be I'm showing down the wrong hands of course...
12-01-2009 , 10:04 PM
i can't imagine showing down so little. there is much less variance to WTSD than W$SD so i am guessing you are running badish but you def should change your game and showdown more.
12-01-2009 , 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by TylerMes
but 1.17 over a large sample is a massive leak. most people seem to be in the low 2s i would be suspicious of anything under 1.8 or over 2.5 personally. but i am not an expert on this...
i have never looked at this stat before. last 72,500 hands at 1/2 and 2/4 i am +0.86BB/100 with wtsd/w$sd of 38.4/52.7 but my river call efficiency is 2.99 overall.

SB: 2.53
BB: 2.39
EP: 2.82
MP: 3.34
CO: 3.30
BTN: 3.66

you said that you would be suspicious of anything over 2.5. since mine is well over, what does that suggest to you about my game? what other stats would you look at, in conjunction with this one to discover something profound? thanks.
12-01-2009 , 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by normalcy
i have never looked at this stat before. last 72,500 hands at 1/2 and 2/4 i am +0.86BB/100 with wtsd/w$sd of 38.4/52.7 but my river call efficiency is 2.99 overall.
I am guessing it means you don't showdown enough. I could be wrong though.
12-01-2009 , 11:28 PM
maybe missing some value raises. missing a value raise should send the stat up, since the expected value of those calls is >half the pot. maybe not bluff catching enough. or bluff catching with hands strong enough that they should have been bet.


but maybe 3.0 isn't so bad, your opponents' strategy obv affects this stat as well so maybe its appropriate at your level...
12-02-2009 , 01:23 AM
-Trippa

you seem pretty much on point but your BB VPIP strikes me as low. are there a lot of limped pots are your level? what is your fold BB to steal?
12-03-2009 , 03:58 PM
Hello, i'm currently a 6-max 1-2 player, and i have only gotten in around 3k hands in, but i seem to be either really bad or just not using the right vpip/pfr

Do my stats work well for my stakes? There are many multiway pots and i feel like my 28-21 style gets hammered. Perhaps i'm just running badly

Overall, my stats are:

28/21/2.38

WTSD 35 w%sd 44.12

3bet 12

Fbb 40

fbb to sb 83

attemt to steal 43 percent

I'm trying to improve to a 32/25 player, but i don't know if that's good for my stakes w/ so many players seeing the flop

Input would be great, thanks
12-03-2009 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by TylerMes
-Trippa

you seem pretty much on point but your BB VPIP strikes me as low. are there a lot of limped pots are your level? what is your fold BB to steal?
it's in the first pic.. 40%
12-03-2009 , 04:23 PM




Hello, i'm currently a 6-max 1-2 player, and i have only gotten in around 3k hands in, but i seem to be either really bad or just not using the right vpip/pfr

Do my stats work well for my stakes? There are many multiway pots and i feel like my 28-21 style gets hammered. Perhaps i'm just running badly

Overall, my stats are:

28/21/2.38

WTSD 35 w%sd 44.12

3bet 12

Fbb 40

fbb to sb 83

attemt to steal 43 percent

I'm trying to improve to a 32/25 player, but i don't know if that's good for my stakes w/ so many players seeing the flop

Input would be great, thanks

Last edited by JQPublic777; 12-03-2009 at 04:38 PM.
12-03-2009 , 04:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Distajo
Hello, i'm currently a 6-max 1-2 player, and i have only gotten in around 3k hands in, but i seem to be either really bad or just not using the right vpip/pfr
Or neither. You could just be running bad as this is a meaningless sample


Overall, my stats are:

28/21/2.38 ---> pretty high AF. I have similar stats but 1.9. You may be barrelling too much UI against Loose passive fish or overplaying medium-strong hands.

WTSD 35 w%sd 44.12 ----> Yep running bad. That W%SD is awful for a 35% WTSD. Show down more. I am at 38/54, a representative ratio, I think.

3bet 12 ----> Meh, I am at 14. See SB comments below.

Fbb 40

fbb to sb 83 ----> probably as high as want to be here. Get it to under 80. Resteal more against late position raises

attempt to steal 43 percent
12-03-2009 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by kwealert
Or neither. You could just be running bad as this is a meaningless sample


Overall, my stats are:

28/21/2.38 ---> pretty high AF. I have similar stats but 1.9. You may be barrelling too much UI against Loose passive fish or overplaying medium-strong hands.

WTSD 35 w%sd 44.12 ----> Yep running bad. That W%SD is awful for a 35% WTSD. Show down more. I am at 38/54, a representative ratio, I think.

3bet 12 ----> Meh, I am at 14. See SB comments below.

Fbb 40

fbb to sb 83 ----> probably as high as want to be here. Get it to under 80. Resteal more against late position raises

attempt to steal 43 percent
Thanks, i'm just going to have to be patient i guess.

You're correct. I am double barreling a lot against loose passive fish, but what am i supposed to do to get them to fold a better hand? Tripple barrel?

Yeah, i thought my WTSD was a lil weak, since everybody's i know has one that borders 38. I don't showdown AK a lot, but it also could just be the sample.

So you think i defend a my blind a good amount?

      
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