i 3bet SB opens all the ****ing time with decent hands, and i mix it up with good Ax/Kx, but tend to call weak Ax/Kx. I'll also 3b good hands OOP against bad players (not always, but usually), and occasionally I shift into a mode of 3betting a mix of good hands/sc's against some good lagtags... mostly the guys who call 100% OOP since it seems like a lot of them give way too much respect to a 3b out of the BB.

anyways, short answer is yes, which I believe could be causing me other problems. Like I alluded to in my other post I wonder if taking the initiative is hurting me more often than helping me .... i mean its not like most of my opponents are just going to fold easily, so perhaps I need to concentrate on putting more money in good and stealing more pots when the other guy has initiative and a weak range. I would be pretty stoked to shave 3BB/100 off my BB loss rate... I'd easily be a 1BB/100 winner if I could do that I think

and yeah i was mostly joking with my profitable c-bet comment. I had just never looked at these stats before, so I've never seen it confirmed that my opponents actually do have the profitable c-bet in steal situations... even though intuitively this isn't surprising at all ...

One other thing I just realized is those number I gave were still filtered for 5-6 players at the table... so I could increase my sample size by keeping 3-4 handed and fullring play in there without affecting results... maybe i'll take a closer look at this tonight..

I've been playin LHE on stars for a few months now, mostly 2/4 but a few shots at 3/6 which unfortunately failed.

I would really appreciate your comments/feedback on following stats:



thanks in advance,

daniel

First of all, you're winning at a solid rate over a reasonable sample, so that's good. WTSD is pretty low (which may be okay for $2/4 on Stars), ATSB is very low (Stars has a good rake structure so you can probably loosen up here), and the gap between your VPIP and PFR is rather wide. Perhaps you're open limping or cold calling a lot? Post your position stats tab if you want more detailed analysis.

I always thougt I call down too often, so I focused on finding the right spots.
But I tried to loosen up there when playing 3/6.

Also, I never limp at 6max but I try to adjust my starting hand range to the positions.
Cold calling depends on the opponent, this is probably one of my biggest leaks since I often don't know which hands I should call/raise/fold against players with PFR under 10%

What does ATSB exactly mean? I'm not very familiar with all those stats


best, daniel

ATSB = Attemt to steal blind.

In pokertracker 2 thats measured by how often you raise your hand when its folded to you in either of the 3 positions: CO, BTN, SB.

In some other tracking software a steal is only measured by how often you raise when folded to in the CO and BTN.

To be honest I dont know how HEM does it.


About coldcalling: If you are new to 6 max LHE you should just NOT coldcall. There are some spots where you can coldcall but as a default dont. So untill you learn when to coldcall just stick to "raise or fold" outside the blinds - well outside the BB really.

It looks like you're not that positionally aware. You're raising 20% UTG (which is A LOT), and only 31% from the BTN (which is very small). Take a long look at your opening standards. In Winning in Tough Holdem Games, Stox recommends about a 16% range from 3-off the button (UTG) and 40% range from the button. A lot of good posters here play a little tighter than that UTG and a lot looser on the button (like, 50-60%). The point isn't to blindly adopt those standards, but just to tighten up UTG and loosen up with your steal attempts.

And listen to what Oink said about coldcalling. Basically, never coldcalling is probably a small leak while coldcalling often can be a huge leak.

Hi all,

Grateful if anyone has any comments on these hands from last several months and a few levels. Mostly (~7700) on .50/1 at Stars in last two or three months and OnGame (mainly .25/.50) before that.



Cheers, Moe.

I don't think this belongs in a post of it's own. I just finished a session with a slightly loose, slightly passive table where all opponents showed down too often and did not bet enough!

UTG 2bets, all call, I complete 22 in the SB, BB completes. Flop was AA2rainbow. Checked to button who bets, I raise, folded to CO who calls 2 cold, button calls. Turn is another A! I check, CO bets, Button raises. I fold, giving one of them credit for 33 or better.

River was a 2. They showed down 66, 55. Weird hand! I wish I was bad enough to call down!

slomoe, I think you have to loosen up more in late position, esp BTN and CO, in terms of VPIP and PFR. You have to be much more willing to increase your PFR for especially the BTN, which I don't understand why issit significantly lower than the CO. By widening your PFR and VPIP in late position, your Att to steal Blinds will also increase, as it is currently on the low side. I follow Stox's recommended range, and am able to reach ~40%.

And is there something wrong with the data? There seems to be an extra position (postion 4), and your BB/100hands is negative even though you have some profit of $30.57.

Well, this advice is really new to me, but sounds plausible since it's pretty difficult to play post flop after cold calling pre.

So, my overall-stats for CCPF is 7.35 and for 3BetPF 8.05 which now actually looks pretty bad to me. What would you suggest for latter?


You're right there. Really need to work on that.

Haven't been studying any LHE theory yet, but I thougt my winrate was quite low, thats basically why I felt the need to improve my game.

Thank you guys, I really appreciate your helpful advices.

daniel


btw: Buddha, are you GiantAba @ stars?

[ I forgot to say earlier, the original stats were filtered for 5 or 6 at the table. ]

I generally try and play a re-raise or fold style from BTN when facing a raise, and maybe I'm choosing fold too often. When I'm back home I'll check my BTN stats and see how they break down. From the stats shown I seem to open-raise 9%, raise/re-raise 7%, and call (mainly limp?) 7%. Currently I'm probably only re-raising with something like 99+,AQ+, but I'm still slightly surprised that raise/re-raise number is only 7% ... as I say I'll look up what the breakdown is between raising limpers and re-raising.

I do steal quite a bit if it folds round to me, so I'm not too worried about this. I've been aiming for about 35% so this is pretty close. I'll check the second half of the sample to see if it's higher as well, I think I'm probably stealling more now than a few months ago.

I think that's just a quirk of the data. I presume the few hands in position 4 were when there was only one blind for some reason (maybe OnGame does this sometimes, but not Stars?? I'll check where those hands were ...). And the +/- discrepancy is just a result of the win-/loss-rate at different levels, I'm confident PokerTracker will have got the right answers. (Basicly zero and zero, after $30 over 10,000 hands is nothing is it.)

moe

Hmmm, it seems PT2 doesn't let me split up how often I'm raising limpers and how often I'm 3-betting raisers What I can tell (from 1908 hands on BTN) is:
I'll do some more reading around on what I can add here, either as raises, 3-bets or cold-calls. And I see why people like large samples, obviously the number of hands drops quickly once you start doing this kind of analysis.
...
I've been stealing about 36% in more recent samples, so I'm reasonably happy with that for now. Maybe push it slightly higher over time ...
...
The 3 hands in position 4 were played at OnGame and there was no small blind for some reason. And I've checked the winnings & winrate calcs and they are right, unfortuneately the number of hands at each level boosts -ve winrates more than the positive ones so the overall winrate average is -ve
On the plus side, I've played 7.5K on Stars 0.50/1.00 at +1.7BB/100 in the more recent part of the sample, so the figures will hopefully look nicer next time I post them once I get to 10K on Stars

moe

didnt realize this thread existed otherwise i would have posted here.

please comment on my thread:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/22...ng-bad-331904/

I know its a pretty small sample but any help is appreciated.

dunno why but i tilt realy hard at 2/4 =(

hey guys, I just started playing back in april, and have recently gotten more serious about the game. I'm winning, and this style is working for me, but i was just wondering if you guys could take a look and tell me if i have any huge leaks. Im wondering if i am limping too much when i should be raising (in pots where there are 2 limpers, i limp AT or something b/c no1 will fold pf anyways)
anyways here they are: theyve been filtered for all limit games. i got pt about 2 months ago...



^^ am i losing more than normal in the blinds?


^^ am i supposed to be down money with any hands? i guess i lose when i check down a pair etc... but is this even close to normal?

thx alot guys i appreciate it

Seriously, with such a small sample size, any advice would be as unreliable as the stats itself.

this is mostly true, but after 1000 hands VPIP and PFR should be pretty accurate. if that's the case, there's too big of a gap there and you're probably limping/cold calling too much.

i disagree. i play these limits, and i feel like by raising more hands you are putting money in at a stupidly thin edge vs 3-4 other players (who will call every time). by folding more hands as opposed to limping, i feel like you lose alot of value from suited connectors, 2-3 gappers etc that play well multiway

LHE is a game of stupidly thin edges. But add up enough edges and you'll look like a circle, which only has one.

yeah i guess so. can you take a look at my stats pls? u are da masta

well said

Looks good.

You are decently positional aware and it looks like you play quite a few pots vs the fish, I mean it looks like you are not afraid of limping and coldcalling if its for multiway pots. Your ATSB is nice and your blind defence stats also look ok.

You seem to run bad at SD with 38/50 stats and yet you have taken out 2.5BB/100 in a rake heavy game. Well done Sir!!

Now this isnt the be all end all. Keep assuming you suck and keep working on your game. But its certainly a nice start to your LHE 6 max career.

haha i totally suck... i'm thrilled that you think it looks good tho

I don't have much to add to what Oink said. You're doing well, so I wouldn't be looking to change much. Just keep working on putting people on ranges and taking the best line against that range. Post hands, etc.