I wouldn't like to disappoint you OINK so here comes another troll post.In fact the longest ever.
Put the straitjacket on, here we go
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Originally Posted by Oink
Maka
- show down more. As LEader says your HUHU wtsd is ridiculous. 35-36% for 5-6 handed play at midstakes is also a recipe for disaster.
In Stox book the high stakes player has a WSD of 35% which means that his play is a recipe for disaster.
It is a fair assumption to imagine that he has winded up having those showdown stats playing the way the book preach.
And I doubt that I have in anyway deviated from what you meant in this quote. It is pretty clear that you talk about midstakes in general. Not games with a specific lineup or any specific games.
But then again maybe high stakes poker plays differently from midstakes.
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Supreme doesnt mean flawless. Why would you think that?
Maybe language difficulties. But I have always thought that supreme meant something like extraordinary or remarkable.
You have expressed the view that if you don´t have a VPIP of over 30% (filtered for 6-handed)you're either playing suboptimal or suck at postflop poker(even if it comes with a "in my games" disclaimer).That put together with the hate for FSDRaises and the general view of what is a disastrous showdown stat means that using the word supreme is a bit of a**licking imo.
And even If you used supreme with the meaning the best of all books it didn't really sound good.
It is too bad that you won't answer what you really meant with:
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Can 2p2 be programmed to insta post Abso's last screenshot the next time someone says 33/23 is suboptimal at small stakes?
But at least you didn´t mean it as proof of 33/23 not being suboptimal.What purpose an instapost of abso's screenshot when anyone says that 33/23 is suboptimal would fill remains a riddle however.
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So this whole debate is really just not worth anything and i dont see why you are so gung ho on debating it?
I already knew that you agreed with me regarding the 24/18 discussion. I think I know what the hilarious part was in my example but I can say that the figures I presented hadn't any aspirations on being exact. If it is 4 hands or 3.8 hands or whatever doesn´t matter for the principal discussion
The Gungho I have about stats is whenever someone is posting stats then Leader and others comes with statements like 24/18 is an unprofitable style or things like:
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maka2184,
You don't SD nearly enough. I mean 36 WtSD HUHU is almost buddy list worthy. You need to be showing down 40%+ 5-6 hand esp at 10/20+.
I'm just glad that the high stakes player who won $700 000 with a WSD of 35 won the money before he found out that he had the wrong strategy.
And I can´t tell you how fed up I am with the common advice to small stakes posters to fix their awful winrate by defending their blinds more.
yeah like that is the problem when a number of players can show extremely high winrates folding their blinds as much as they who have awful winrates.
To me it is clear that the 2+2 community is way too narrowminded when it comes to stats without having anything to back it up with.
You are constantly preaching that stats "depends"which honors you. But now and then even you come up with posts that says otherwise and sometimes in an arrogant manner like in the post that started this quarrel:
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If you are one of those posters stop posting in stat threads regarding styles as if you know whats going on.
I'm finished now. I promise you that I'm never going to post anything regarding general stats again.
I do think that you're decent guy that sometimes can´t help behaving badly.
I don't mind if you behave badly against me. I can take it. And who knows maybe I deserve it.
But you apparently also behave badly against people that don't deserve it so it would be great if you could stop do it.
And I accept the appologize even if I understand that it isn't that seriously meant since the word troll is mentioned twice.
Last edited by Apanage; 03-15-2009 at 12:37 PM.