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Old 10-25-2008, 02:18 AM   #1
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***** Official SSSHLHE Stats Thread *****

The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for people to post and discuss stats. Since so many stat posts end up with the same advice (steal more, showdown more, defend more), perhaps it will be useful to have all of that contained in one thread. If not, I'm sure the moderators can lock it.

Anyway, people often discuss what "optimal" play looks like. While a lot can certainly be gained from such discussion, finding what works for you under your game conditions is probably the best place to start. It's easy to forget that a wide variety of styles can be profitable. To that end I've dragged up a sample of my first 50k or so hands at Stars $3/6, which was basically the beginning of my 6max career. Notice that I was a total nit. But a profitable nit. Next to that are the FTP $5/10 hands I have on this computer. Different style (still a little nitty), and still profitable. It's impossible to tell whether it's actually more profitable or not since the sample sizes are a little pathetic. But it's pretty safe to say that a competent player can win with 23/17 or 30/21 preflop stats. So it shouldn't be such a stretch that 21/15 or 35/25 can be profitable for certain players under the right game conditions.

Filtered for 5 and 6 handed:


Now that some people are using HEM and some people are using PT2 or PT3, it's important we realize that not all of the stats are the same in both. Here are a few hands from September, filtered exactly the same on HEM (top) and PT3 (bottom). Notice that 3bet, 4bet, WWSF, W$SD, ATSB, and particularly FBBTS are all different:



Anyway, I've got loads to say on this stuff, but I have to wake up early, so I'll add more later. Don't worry, I'll post some samples that look like crap soon enough.
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Old 10-25-2008, 03:27 AM   #2
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First!!
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Old 10-25-2008, 03:30 AM   #3
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you're running horribly and still winning, good job!
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Old 10-25-2008, 03:45 AM   #4
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official SSSHLHE brag thread you say?
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Old 10-25-2008, 04:26 AM   #5
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you're running horribly and still winning, good job!
who's stats you're referring to, mate?
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Old 10-25-2008, 06:41 AM   #6
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is 60% fold BB vs steal standard in 0.5/1?
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Old 10-25-2008, 06:54 AM   #7
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Does anyone know if PT3 or HEM have defined their stats anywhere, saying just what specificly is counted in their W$@SD stats etc?
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Old 10-25-2008, 08:17 AM   #8
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is 60% fold BB vs steal standard in 0.5/1?
I know that my BB vs Steal is too high. ie, I have been folding too much. In fact, I've been amending my play to play more hands vs a steal.

This is a thread by MrWookie from Micros, about 6max Stats. This is an extract regarding your question:

Folded BB to steal: The decision about whether or not to defend your BB depends on a lot of factors, primarily what range of hands the theif is raising (does he even steal, or is this raise legitimate?), your read on the theif's postflop play, and how comfortable you are with defending. Having this be at 70% is not a bad place to start out your 6 max play, but getting it down to 60% or so would probably be better. You can play a lot of hands getting good pot odds, especially since the theif's hand range will be large. If the SB comes along and offers you 5:1, you can really open up. Some veterans have this stat below 50%, but, again, that's not recommended for players new to 6 max play who might be less familiar with defending their blinds. A lot of the difference between your VPIP and your PFR comes from defending your BB - you won't be limping much.
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Old 10-25-2008, 08:23 AM   #9
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WHEN YOU POST STATS REMEMBER TO FILTER FOR SOME AMOUNT OF PLAYERS, SAY 5-6, 3-4 OR HU. EITHER THAT OR POST AVERAGE #PLAYERS.

WITHOUT SUCH INFO YOUR STATS ARE USELESS AND WILL JUST GIVE RISE TO BAD ANSWERS BASED ON LACK OF INFORMATION!!!!
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Old 10-25-2008, 08:32 AM   #10
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About folding your blinds

This depends on

- How much your opponenets raise your blind
- How much rake you pay
- How big your postflop edge is on the opponents who raise your blind


In a midstakes environment say like 10/20 the rake will me medium to low and your opponents will largely consist of other semipros/pros with an ATSB between 38-50. Having a foldBB to steal above 50 in such a game is definetely a mistake. Most good players will be between 35 and 45 with some LAGs and LAGTAGs getting between 30 and 35.

In a high stakes environment where people steal about the same but the rake is insignificant I doubt being above 40 is good. But I have little experience with such games.

In a 0.5/1 game you dont find nearly as many villains who has an ATSB of 45. However the 45/12 villains with an ATSB of say 25 you have a significantly postflop edge on. The rake is obviously high. To be honest I dont know what a good fold BB to steal is in such a game but I doubt its 35 as much as I doubt its 70. Somewhere between 45 and 60 sounds about right to me.
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Old 10-25-2008, 10:27 AM   #11
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terrific sample sizes.

also, this thread reads more like a brag thread than anything else.
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Old 10-25-2008, 11:22 AM   #12
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32% wtsd seems very low. If i was playing vs you i would c/r every low flop in steal pots and fire the turn and reevaluate on the river and also try and steal ur blind everytime. Do you ever feel anyone trying these tactics vs you at ur level?

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Old 10-25-2008, 11:45 AM   #13
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who's stats you're referring to, mate?
Yours. Your W$@SD is ridiculously low for your WTSD so you're probably not running all that well. Then again sample is small, but it looks like you're doing pretty well.
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Old 10-25-2008, 06:06 PM   #14
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this is mostly play from 08 in my PT3 db... nothing too surprising ... i believe that these stats are considered pretty standard lagtag... limites range from 15/30-200/400, with the bulk at 30/60-50/100. filtered 5-6 handed.

as I moved up I've become a little bit looser and it seems like WTSD and W$WSF have gone up slightly at higher stakes, while W$SD has gone down slightly... in any case, these stats are not exactly representative of my current game, for better or worse idk
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Old 10-25-2008, 06:14 PM   #15
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oh yeah, even though mot of that play is at mid-high limits... I think shooting for lagtag stats like this, and playing well overall, would serve one well at 5/10-10/20 for sure
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