Its 9 in the HJ and 17 OTB. 12 in the CO.

Yes obv you should 3bet a CO open wider than a UTG open when OTB. OTB against a normal reg in the CO I 3bet about 29% of my hands but only about 10% against a UTG open. Obviously this all depends on certain other factors

Id love to answer all that but tbh I dont know what all the abbreviations mean

I thought you said that my 3 betting from the SB than OTB was a leak. I probably misunderstood you. Anyways this is good to know as I play it similarly.

1 - FTSBS (Fold to Steal in Small Blind) is still at 84% - is this way low? And what is a decent BB/hand from SB - -0.05? -0.10?

2 - Could some extremly kind soul give me a hint what W$woSD numbers should be? Mine are for F, T & R (Flop, Turn, River) ; 35%, 30% and 23%.

3 - I suck fronm the BigBlind and its apparent that I need to call down more and play back more. I used to be a -0.21 from the BigBlind but should the aim be towards -0.15-0.18? Or even lower?

4 - Regarding 3betting I am inclined to only 3b if I have >50% vs Opponents range even if I am in position. Too tight?


"Hey uselessnit. Ty for the words. But imo $$$$$$$$$$$ >> nobel price. hence I am no longer a reseacher in economics"

You are a sad person, Oink....lol - allthough I do appreciate you...Being Swedish I am extremly proud of Mr Nobel and his prizes....don't you know there comes a million bucks for winning it???
Surely there must be somewhere in Economics (maybe in Financial Engineering(oh you dreaded subject)) where you can implement W$woSD or PRF bluffing or Optimal Bluffing???!!!

Your words are my Bible.

Any other abbreviations that are unclear?

Do you do coaching, Oink?

My 3 betting vs UTG HU by positions are HJ 8.3, CO 9, BTN 9.2, SB 6.6, BB 3.3

Does this seem right or way off?

I don't have a big enough sample obviously to know if specific hands in the bottom of my UTG range are +EV or not, but overall they seem to be:



I obviously don't raise all of those hands 100%, but overall they seem to be turning a profit. I'd even argue for loosening up more.

One thing I've noticed is that the Ax don't seem to do very well UTG over this sample. I can't really say anything significant about this so it could still be variance, but the better multiway hands seem to do better.

I guess I'm a stubborn fool because I'm playing again after a long hiatus, except I'm trying out teh minbets this time around. I do not, however, have any idea what I'm doing really. I have probably been pretty nitty because, well, I always have been, and feeling out a new game makes me even more so. Overall I'm running pretty hot ...for once.

Anyway, please advise on this admittedly small sample. Thanks.

When I filter for "two card flush draw on flop, saw turn", and "two card flush draw on flop, made flush on turn" and use a binomial calculator, I find that I am running way below expectation. The same goes with straight draws, straight to turn, turn to river, etc. I am guessing there is a selection bias where when I see the turn / river, my opponent will have some of my outs more often than if his range was completely random, causing my drawing results to be poorer 'than expected', since when I do see the turn with a flush draw my avg number of flush outs might be 8.8 instead of 9.0, or something.

Does this seem right to any of you stats experts?

1 - Its in the high end but if you play in passive games its not too bad. In aggro games you see most LAGTAGs around or below 75

2 - I have no idea

3 - Again it depends on how aggro/passive your games are. If you play passive games where you get a lot of free flops or if you play tight/passive games where you get a lot of walks you should be able to do a lot better. In tough aggro games anything better than -.2 is ok. Around -.15 is freeking awesome. In more passive games -.12 is awesome and -.15 is good.

4 - Too tight. Depending on how big a part of villains range is SD'able UI (ie how big a part of his range is pp's and good Ax) and depending on how many and which players are behind you, you can 3bet with much less. So in the HJ against a UTG open I would prefer 50% or even more. OTB vs a CO open 45% should be more than enough - if people are tight postflop you can prolly do with 40%

Yeah I have similar results. I also have similar experiences with Axo and off suit hands in general. Throughout UTG, HJ and CO the bottom end of my suited hands have done way better than the bottom end of my offsuited hands.

Gee guys, not all at once now !

Everything looks super nitty to me. I think you're giving up a lot of value in most spots. I'd start by raising more in steal positions and 3-betting/isolating more on the button against wide ranges. Also, your WTSD looks low for your VPIP.

I am hearing a lot of talk about folding less than 30% to river cbet is a huge leak. Here are my stats to LOL at, especially my first few months!

Mine is over 40% at just about every level.

I can see my winrate generally goes up when I call less on the river. Hmmm.

Do you guys think there is a direct correlation there?

Who says this? If this is true then in general your range is too weak when you get to the river or your opponents aren't bluffing optimally on the river. Pot sizes are generally big enough on the river where folding more than 30% probably means you are getting ran over... right?

bump!

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the overwhelming majority of small stakes regs don't barrel nearly enough rivers to be worth showing down Ahis and bluff catchers all the time

This is my thinking too Eff.

I heard that it was Oink that said this (from friends of mine on the forums), but I haven't seen where he said it personally.

I really think I remember him saying that optimally it should be somewhere between 30-37, I'll try to find it

I noticed my fold to river c-bet varies from about 23% for huhu up to 31% for multiway. I think you get into the river leveling wars more when ranges are wider / the more shorthanded the game is. However, I don't hesitate to do things like this to people who fold to river c-bets >40% of the time in 6max games.

Poker Stars $30/$60 Limit Hold'em - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is CO with 8 7
UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG calls

Flop: (9.5 SB) 9 Q A (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG calls

Turn: (6.25 BB) 4 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, BB folds, UTG calls

River: (8.25 BB) 9 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG folds

Final Pot: 8.25 BB
Hero mucks 8 7
Hero wins 8.217 BB
(Rake: $2.00)

/brag

OK I found the post. I didn't remember correctly, Oink doesn't say where the lower limit should be for that stat, he only says that higher than 40 is a leak

Imo in 2/4 and 3/6 people just don't barrel enough. Just check your db Dustin when you c/c c/c c/c vs regs other than the spazziest ones with your Ahis and bottom pairs, how often are you good..

I went over the optimal stats for short handed play in Barry Tanenbaum's Book. They are:

6-handed: 25/15/1.8 or 33/25/2.4
4-handed: 39/30/2.1 or 43/33.2.3
3-handed: 49/37/2.2 or 55/41/2.3
Heads-up: 66/46/2.2 or 72/52/2.4

Here are my 2/4 and 3/6 stats as of today:

6-handed: 25/15/2.2 - WTSD 39.5, W$SD 52.6 (11k hands)
5-handed: 31/21/2.4 - WTSD 40.5, W$SD 50.7 (16k hands)
4-handed: 39/27/2.6 - WTSD 41.5, W$SD 49.4 (20k hands)
3-handed: 50/34/2.3 - WTSD 43.5, W$SD 48.5 (24k hands)
Heads-up: 57/41/2.5 - WTSD 44.8, W$SD 47.2 (42k hands)

Pretty damn close. The only trend I notice is my PFR is lower and postflop aggro is higher. Any way to figure out why I'm doing that without going through specific hands? Is it bad that I'm that much more aggressive? I also see that as play gets shorter, WTSD gets higher as W$SD gets lower. I assume that's normal due to heightening variance. Finally, it seems I play too tight HU!

Any comments appreciated.

First.. It's Borer's and Mak's book. Tanenbaums role in that book is trivial.
Second.. it's not 25/15/1.8 OR 33/25/2.4 I don't remember the exact phrasing in the book but it means it's something in between those numbers. In today's games the 25/15 is too tight. You'll be eaten up. When you're comfortable playing 25/15 start making your way to 27/17.. when that feels comfortable go for 29/17-19 etc

The reason I wanted to point out that it's not Tanenbaum's book is that I found Advanced Limit Hold'em Strategy (which is Tanenbaum's book) to be s**t

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