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12-20-2012 , 02:25 PM

Slide

old hand

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,562

Villain is likely a regular, appears to be some form of Lag/Tag and hasn't done anything of note yet. CO is a Lag fish, I'm not sure BB is aware of this and potentially capping a little lighter or just playing his standard range here.

I think turn peel is close at this price. River is obviously ugly, but I don't think I can play it different?

Poker Stars $1/$2 Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BTN with A

2 folds, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, BB caps!, CO calls, Hero calls

Flop: (12.5 SB) 8

(3 players)
BB bets, CO folds, Hero calls

Turn: (7.25 BB) 2

(2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls

River: (9.25 BB) T

(2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero calls

12-20-2012 , 04:39 PM

TH3CLOWN

grinder

Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 535

I normally fold the turn.

I'm not feeling confident about my outs, my implied odds and our pot odds.

The river screams we are beat, but I still pay off hoping there is a chance we split the pot.

12-20-2012 , 09:34 PM

Leader

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 11,677

Kind of hard to come up with a range that makes this a fold. Pot is just too inflated by CO's action pre. BB would have to check a lot of turns with the bottom of his range as well as have a fairly tight pf range to begin with.

12-20-2012 , 11:39 PM

RonMexico

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,323

Leader, you are talking about the turn? It seems close to me but I didn't stove it.

12-21-2012 , 12:06 AM

Leader

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 11,677

Yeah turn. Didn't do a full ev on it. Just equity of some ranges vs implied odds.

12-21-2012 , 04:14 AM

TH3CLOWN

grinder

Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 535

77+,A9s+,KJs+,ATo+,KQo

Vs. this range we have 24.43% equity on the turn if he barrel 100% of his pf range.
Is this range to tight?

If his range is indeed very tight, it drops to 15-18%, that is often my mistake.

Creating ranges I would open,3b,cap, c/r etc. in villain his shoes and ending up with somewhat tighter ranges or looser, with the result of to much calling or folding. And with to much agression or way to passive.

Last edited by TH3CLOWN; 12-21-2012 at 04:34 AM.

12-21-2012 , 06:14 AM

Leader

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 11,677

Quote:

Originally Posted by TH3CLOWN

You want to approach the problem from a different angle if you're not sure what villain's range is. Instead of starting there, work from the math (odds/equity) backward to find what kind of range he would need to have in order to fold. Then, ask yourself if you think that range is reasonable. For most hands, this will make your analysis much easier.

12-21-2012 , 07:08 AM

RonMexico

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,323

I guess what I am most interested in is how people are playing certain rivers. So for example, which rivers are we calling UI? In order to realize that turn equity, it would have to be a fair number of them I think assuming villain barrels off UI (he may be the type that gives up and checks though). Then we get to the problem OP has which is raising river and getting 3bet.

12-21-2012 , 11:14 AM

TH3CLOWN

grinder

Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 535

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leader

Why I didn't think of this before. Can we turn back time a bit please.

12-21-2012 , 08:43 PM

#10

Abso

enthusiast

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 51

Not sure you have the equity to raise the river actually.

12-28-2012 , 04:55 PM

#11

Slide

old hand

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,562

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abso

Not sure you have the equity to raise the river actually.

Villain has to be checking a lot of very strong hands before a river raise becomes incorrect. Even if villain is only betting sets or better, we still have value in a river raise.

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