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11-04-2008 , 02:00 AM
also, discrediting democrats for saying "he seems smart, well-spoken..." and not discrediting the republicans who have sent me chain emails with this brilliant message is pretty one-sided, isn't it?



the guy who sent me this email is a pretty big racist. what mntbikr told palomino sounds pretty similar to something he would say. ask mntbikr if he wants the guy's email address - they might make really good friends.
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11-04-2008 , 02:02 AM
Lol at McCain having any sort of shot in this thing. This election was over the minute the VPs were selected. I actually applauded McCain's choice from a strategic standpoint. It was a huge gamble, but he had to gamble big if he wanted to win. It blew up in his face and it was the chance he took, but he definitely has cojones.
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11-04-2008 , 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by dajaka
The front page of yahoo has its own poles.
they show projected electoral votes of 318 for obama and 196 for mccain.

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I think in the NY times and one in my local paper saying the race has tightened the past couple days and its essentially anyones election, although Obama still has a small advantage.
NYTimes projection: 291 to 163. anyone's election?
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11-04-2008 , 02:07 AM
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And if you think my "reasons" for voting for Obama are bad, then you will love what Bikr said to me....

Something along the lines of "do you really want to give all of your winnings to fat, lazy black people?" I mean really, how ****ing racist can you be.

based on the fact that he looks like vanilla ice, and he owns multiple guns, this does not shock me at all.


seriously though mods, there is like 0 poker talk in the last 2 days.

please be banning these politico spammers
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11-04-2008 , 02:08 AM
Also, lol at you idiots saying both choices suck. That has been said every election since the beginning of time, but I guarantee you will see a higher turnout tomorrow than you will have seen in your lifetime and aint because people think one candidate sucks alot less than the other.

Another thing that is stupid is debating why one person will make a better president than the other when the debators philosophies on government and the economy are diametrically opposed.
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11-04-2008 , 02:38 AM
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Does anyone understand polling enough to explain how 538.com has such diff results?
If the methods he used to make his predictions were easy to understand, he wouldn't be doing it. He somehow finds bias in major polls. The predictions he has are based on all the polls available. The exact method is way over my head.

Nate's wiki page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nate_Silver
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11-04-2008 , 02:48 AM
Known Muslim ties??

News to me.

Sad state of affairs in this country that even knowing a Muslim individual or group is automatically suspicious and a reason not to trust someone.

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Polls and poling booths change people....I think enough people will change their vote in the safety of the booth that will make it closer.
This is an actual phenomenon called 'The Bradley Effect'. No way to predict this, though I hope dajaka is wrong about it.
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11-04-2008 , 03:03 AM
Lol, I think the fact that some Republicans try to paint him as having "muslim ties" while at the same time criticizing him for following a crazy christian pastor are pretty laughable.
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11-04-2008 , 10:48 AM
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Known Muslim ties??

News to me.

Sad state of affairs in this country that even knowing a Muslim individual or group is automatically suspicious and a reason not to trust someone.



This is an actual phenomenon called 'The Bradley Effect'. No way to predict this, though I hope dajaka is wrong about it.

I dont think it is sad at all...I think it is completely normal and thats just how it should be. We are at war, you know.
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11-04-2008 , 10:54 AM
[QUOTE=dajaka;6931887]Ok...I have been a long time lurker of this thread and had no desire to post....however comments like this are so far beyond stupid that I have to chime in.QUOTE]


Long time lurker that just happend to join in November 2008!!! Obv mntbikr
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11-04-2008 , 11:40 AM
One can only hope that there's not enough people with dajakas views...
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11-04-2008 , 11:42 AM
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See...people say this, but we haven't really see that play out thus far. Even under Bush you're being taxed disproportionately. Under Clinton it was probably worse - yet I bet you were still working hard back then.

At some point you might be right and a large part of the US might just decide to work part time at Burger King and play video games most of the day on the countrys dime. I, however, think we are a long way from there.

It's really all just a balancing act. I thought we had a good balance going in the Clinton era. I'd like to return to that. I don't imagine the tax burden was unbearably high for you then, and I don't believe it will be under Obama either. Hard work will still be rewarded.

Lastly, be careful about those underachievers in society you say '**** You!' to. You can keep a small percentage of the population at a poor standard of living and let the police deal with it. But allowing a significant amount of inequality to persist is ultimately a very bad idea.

In a real world, the masses eventually overwhelm the small oasis built by the likes of John Galt and typically prefer to use such devices as the guillotine on him and his friends.
People have short memories the main reason the Clinton years were prosperous was because of an inflatem IT boom much of which was a cause of the following recession. I believe today will be a sad day in American history as the nation will be weaker and we will take one more step towards socialism. JMO I will support him if he wins and I am sure hope I am wrong about him but we will have elected NANCY PELOSI with no congress to stop her, this is a very scary thing. No checks and balances and the far left controlling the party. The fact of the matter is if the middle of the road Dems were running the party they would have won the last election but the arogance never ceases to amaze me....
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11-04-2008 , 11:50 AM
dajaka can't be mntbkr, because dajaka has posted 20 times and hasn't been banned. mntbkr could never pull that off.
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11-04-2008 , 11:58 AM
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dajaka can't be mntbkr, because dajaka has posted 20 times and hasn't been banned. mntbkr could never pull that off.
QFT
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11-04-2008 , 12:10 PM
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QFT
Yeah, I am not getting the "vibe" from dajaka so he can't be mtnbkr.
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11-04-2008 , 12:12 PM
However, if you vote today you get the best coffee for free from Starbucks!
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11-04-2008 , 12:30 PM
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I create jobs in my local economy. I bring new money to my local economy and try very hard to keep money there as well. I provide a service as well as products that I believe allow my clients to be more productive and more competitive. Yet I pay more in annual taxes than my average employee's gross salary. Health insurance costs for my employees just went up another 37% and I can't shop around because my group isn't big enough to avoid underwriting and therefore I'd be totally screwing the employees and/or their dependents who have preexisting conditions. I set up a really nice 401(k) plan only to have everyone whine because the market is doing so badly (guess I should have handed out gold bullion). We're struggling to keep it all together and surviving somehow. The Obama Plan will treat me like some Fat Cat and "redistribute" what I would have used to give existing employees a raise, hire more employees, or otherwise grow my business. His plan gives me all the incentive in the world to make damn sure there's no "profits" at the end of the year (as if the IRS didn't already do a pretty good job of that).

It's been a pleasure discussing this with you, but Obama will never get my vote. If he makes it into office, I will certainly give the office the respect that it deserves and give him every chance to prove me wrong. I think I would be marginally better off with McCain in office, but that brings to light a whole other list of concerns...
I know dick about business so please put me in my place when I ask:

Then why not pay yourself a wage and have your business not profit at all?
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11-04-2008 , 12:36 PM
What happens to this country when some back woods Militia type from West Virginia assisnates Obama? Do we end up back in the 60's?
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11-04-2008 , 01:28 PM
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While getting lower income folks into their own homes may sound great...in theory it could be a very flawed idea.
Requiring lending institutions to provide a percentage of their loans to high credit risks at interest rates insufficient to manage let alone mitigate those risks is ridiculously short-sighted and most certainly contributed to the current mortgage industry crisis. Of course greed contributed even more, but that greed needed a vehicle, and socialistic legislation and lack of competent oversight provided greed with a fleet of exotic sports cars. To make matters worse, once the "crisis" was declared, lending institutions [fraudulently] lumped almost any of their questionable paper into the "unrecoverable sub-primes" pile and wrote them off as such leaving their depositors, Wall Street, and now the taxpayers to pick up the tab. WWwweeeeeeeeee!!!!1111oneoneone
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11-04-2008 , 01:47 PM
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I know dick about business so please put me in my place when I ask:

Then why not pay yourself a wage and have your business not profit at all?
Trust me, I pay myself as much as I reasonably can. I need to keep money in the company to grow it (or survive hard times like these). But if I leave it there (don't expense it), of course it gets taxed. If I take it out as compensation, of course it gets taxed. I'm forced to try to "spend" it in ways that might help me in the future. Most such spending would be on hard assets (PP&E) but since the vast majority of those have to be depreciated (expensed over time) it still doesn't protect revenues from becoming profits and therefore taxes. So I can either give a bunch of it to the government or spew cash at things with little present or future value.
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11-04-2008 , 02:07 PM
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However, if you vote today you get the best coffee for free from Starbucks!
Starf**ks coffee is gross.
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11-04-2008 , 02:08 PM
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Yeah, I am not getting the "vibe" from dajaka so he can't be mtnbkr.
What vibe are you getting from me? Could I be bikr?
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11-04-2008 , 02:48 PM
I'm switching my vote to McCain. This video convinced me.
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11-04-2008 , 03:13 PM
3, 2, 1
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11-04-2008 , 03:28 PM
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I'm switching my vote to McCain. This video convinced me.
Not much wank value imo. Meh. Had to switch back to my immigrant porn...
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