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Old 08-23-2012, 06:19 PM   #1
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OESD in BvB

Villain is lagtaggish over 40 hands or so, no interesting notes.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 3 4
2 folds, SB raises, Hero calls

Flop: (4 SB) 2 J 5 (2 players)
SB bets, Hero?

Tempting to raise here as the board misses his range and I've got a 4-high OESD. But the board misses my range as well. I'm 3-betting preflop a lot so don't have many value hands left. Plus my hand is the only decent draw possible. These factors could make it easy for him to call down quite light. Maybe it's better to just call and hope to hit.
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Old 08-23-2012, 08:38 PM   #2
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Re: OESD in BvB

If you don't bluff this what are you bluffing here? Why don't you you pick a hand in his range, say A6o, that you want to make indifferent to calling. If you want to make A6o indifferent, I think you'll find that you must bluff your oesd because otherwise you would have virtually no bluffs at all in your range. In fact you probably will have to bluff air here quite a bit, otherwise villain could exploit you by folding every time you checkraise this texture. If your earlier exploitive analysis always holds true and you know that is how villain thinks about your range and that he will react as you have outlined without adjustment, then obviously you would be correct to assume that he will just call down light, and the meta game would be irrelevant. But if he is going to adjust and you don't bluff this hand, you won't have anywhere near enough bluffs in your range and he will be able to fold a pair of 2's or maybe even a 5 that will never split. Is he going to do this? Probably not. But do you really want him able to comfortably fold 26 on this board whenever you xr?
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Old 08-24-2012, 03:10 AM   #3
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I should have explicitly said this: the point I was trying to get at is that given the limited number of value hands and draws in my flop range, it may be better to never raise this flop.
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Old 08-24-2012, 07:41 AM   #4
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Re: OESD in BvB

call and raise turn then is the logical alternative, right?
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Old 08-24-2012, 07:46 AM   #5
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call and raise turn then is the logical alternative, right?
Yeah, although that is a lot more expensive.
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Old 08-24-2012, 08:05 AM   #6
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Yeah, although that is a lot more expensive.
yep it is a little more expensive but that might be worth it if you think he will give a turn raise considerable more credit than a flop raise.

A third alternative would be to call again and raise rivers u can rep or just bet 100% if he checks. This line imo should only be used in certain instances with a hand like this.

The best line all depends on what his range looks like on all streets and how much of this range he will fold at any street vs agression.

call/call/fold shouldnt be your default line from the get go with a hand like this, with so much equity yet so little SD value UI.
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Old 08-24-2012, 12:58 PM   #7
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call and raise turn then is the logical alternative, right?
This would be might default line as well. I think its probably better to call with everything on the flop. Our peeling range is going to be wide and don't have much we can rep on the flop. Its a slightly more expensive bluff, but we also make a little more when he 2 barrels his air balls too.
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Old 08-24-2012, 04:12 PM   #8
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Re: OESD in BvB

i think it can go either way, flop or turn .
4 handed table in a bvb battle, u can rep a 2,5,J easilly imo.
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Old 08-24-2012, 06:24 PM   #9
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Re: OESD in BvB

i like to call and raise the turn for reasons mentioned above. also, if we're calling and raising the turn with all of our value hands, shouldn't we be doing the same with our bluffs?
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