Originally Posted by pg_780
Isn't there a big disparity between your c /c flop, donk turn and your c /r flop, bet turn range?
What do you think are the advantages of this instead of just c /r the flop?
My basic flop strategy is pretty similar to everyone elses. I checkraise when I can, fold when I must, and call everything else. I don't avoid good flop checkraises just to have something to bet the turn with.
After we checkcall the flop we have a terrible turn problem. Our call tells Villain our hand is playable but not very good while we know virtually nothing about his hand. Villain has both a big advantage in information and positional advantage too. No matter how we play the turn we are going to take a beating. There is no way around this.
Nevertheless we have to do something on the turn. The popular approach is to check pretty much automatically. This allows Villain to value bet his good hands and take free cards with his bad hands while bluffing enough to keep you honest. Very painful.
Betting the turn allows Villain to raise all his good hands while just calling or folding with his bad ones. Also very painful. Indiscriminate betting is not a cure all whatsoever.
But in specific situations betting can be much less awful than checking. It depends on your hand, the board texture, and especially your opponent. The technical aspect is that betting creates a one-or-two bet turn at Villain's option, whereas checking makes it a zero-or-one bet turn again at Villain's option.
Sometimes you have a good hand on the turn and betting tends to get an extra bet into the pot. Much more often you have around 50% equity and you don't care very much whether or not an extra bet goes in. That's when the human aspect comes in. Betting the turn creates pressure and many opponents respond very badly:
1. Folding too many hands
2. Waiting for sure thing to value raise
3. Never semibluff raising an unshowable hand.
If your opponent has one or more of these leaks it can be very profitable to bet with the right hand.
The connection to OP's hand is leak #2. If the Button isn't willing to raise the turn without a big hand then you can shred him by 1) semibluffing unshowable draws and 2) betting weak made hands for value/protection.
Of course Villains also make mistakes when you check to them. The most common leaks that should encourage you to check the turn are:
1. Automatically firing a second barrel (bluffing too much).
2. Taking too many free cards with weak made hands (failure to protect his hand + polarized range).
There is also a psychological issue here. Blinds who defend aggressively are less fun to play against than blinds who play passively and let you bash them at will. Blinds who checkraise the flop whenever possible and look for additional opportunities to create trouble on the turn are more annoying than players who restrict their aggression to checkraising the flop. That can translate into a better image and perhaps people will leave your blinds alone a little more.