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Old 08-07-2008, 12:13 PM   #16
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Re: Moving from TAG to LAGTAG (semi-crosspost)

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I think we've had enough evidence now to say that this is not the case. In my opinion, the "LAGTAG isn't optimal at small stakes" myth has been debunked. I think a good 35/25 would really crush small stakes.
I believe that a 35/25 at 1/2 would without a doubt be playing some hands that are losers to the rake. But lagtag play causes opponents to play so badly/tilted that they would get more profit from their good hands to make up for it.
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Old 08-07-2008, 12:28 PM   #17
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Re: Moving from TAG to LAGTAG (semi-crosspost)

Watching Oink's videos on DC seems like a good place to start.
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Old 08-07-2008, 12:40 PM   #18
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Thanks, Oink.

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- Playing more hands may not be profitable at 1/2 but it will probably make you a better poker player. I think Schneids once said he didnt get good untill he started playing looser than most.
I think I would choose that over being "more profitable." This is an aspect of changing styles that I didn't really consider.

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- Not overlimping enough. Two bad players limp you have 96s, A5o, Q8o OTB with passive blinds. You have a +EV overlimp
- Not coldcalling enough, in particular in the SB. Bad player limps random player raises you have A5s, K8s, 86s, 22 in the SB and the BB is non maniac. You have a +EV coldcall
- Not calling 2 bets in the BB enough. Random player raises, bad player coldcalls, random player 3-bets you have 87s, 22, ATs, K9s, J9s in the BB. +EV coldcall.
- Not squeeze 3-betting enough out of SB or BB. TAG opens OTB, bad player coldcalls in SB you have A9o, K9s, JTs, A5s, 66 in the BB. 3-bet for value and to decrease your reverse implied folding equity.
These are all interesting points, and situations where I probably am passing far too often. Thanks for pointing these out.
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Old 08-07-2008, 01:00 PM   #19
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I believe that a 35/25 at 1/2 would without a doubt be playing some hands that are losers to the rake. But lagtag play causes opponents to play so badly/tilted that they would get more profit from their good hands to make up for it.
I can't say how a 35/25 would compare to a 26/18 or a 30/20, but I know that a 30/20 can do very well in these games. We have seen many results posted that indicate this is the case. I personally am not good enough to play 35/25 yet, but I do think it could be closer to optimal at most levels if used expertly. However, I do believe that playing looser than you normally do is a good way to learn and I often play a 35/25 or 40/30 style, just to test how I can handle it. So far the results have not been good though over a small sample.
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Old 08-07-2008, 01:22 PM   #20
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Re: Moving from TAG to LAGTAG (semi-crosspost)

Aaron could you please post your stats by position???

I also play 1/2 6m on stars , i play a little looser than you otb and in the co. id like to compare with given the current game conditiions.
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Old 08-07-2008, 01:25 PM   #21
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nvm i am retarded.....lmao
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Old 08-07-2008, 01:35 PM   #22
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I can't say how a 35/25 would compare to a 26/18 or a 30/20, but I know that a 30/20 can do very well in these games. We have seen many results posted that indicate this is the case. I personally am not good enough to play 35/25 yet, but I do think it could be closer to optimal at most levels if used expertly. However, I do believe that playing looser than you normally do is a good way to learn and I often play a 35/25 or 40/30 style, just to test how I can handle it. So far the results have not been good though over a small sample.
I think it depends on what your goals are. Anyone who is decent should be able to beat 1/2 with virtually any reasonable style, maybe as wide of a range as 15/10 to 40/30.

If your goal is to eventually be playing 10/20, you might as well play a style that works at 10/20 as a sort of training since you'll only sacrifice some of your WR and will get a lot better.

I'm probably a little different from most of you in my goals. I have a full time job and don't plan on playing poker forever, so I'm mainly trying to make as much supplimental money with as little stress as possible. I know that I can make more money 6-tabling 25/18 than I could 3-tabling any style, so I'm not going to play more hands on fewer tables.
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Old 08-07-2008, 02:41 PM   #23
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aaron what is your winrate? bb/100?
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Old 08-07-2008, 02:54 PM   #24
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aaron what is your winrate? bb/100?
2.92 BB/100 over 34242 online 6-max hands played since (gasp) October 2006.

Edit: One of the reasons I don't really want to get an ongoing subscription to a site like DC is because I don't feel like I play often enough to justify it. I might do a one month thing and raid the videos, though.
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Old 08-07-2008, 05:57 PM   #25
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Ummmm... I almost always 3-bet KQo preflop. Is that unusual?
I just threw that one out there, but I'd think it would be unusual to auto 3-bet it esp. against someone that is uber tight and SD bound. Well, any sort of robotic playing style is just plain bad unless it works for you against, say, really weak opposition. Then the most creative style of play is not to be creative at all against people that don't care about their chip stacks.

I guess my point was that this over emphasis people have on preflop and playing styles. Sure push your edges, but there should only really be one playing style...one that is fluid and goes w/ the flow...and that ain't no style really. All that matters is decision making vs. your own personal goals, risk tolerance, skill level, and so on and so forth. Try to improve each session, find your good and bad plays, think and discuss them w/ yourself and others.
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Old 02-04-2012, 01:01 PM   #27
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Re: Moving from TAG to LAGTAG (semi-crosspost)

Can I go back to 2008 please?
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Old 02-11-2012, 09:31 PM   #28
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Can I go back to 2008 please?

if we're going back in time, i'll just pick 2003
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