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05-09-2014 , 09:30 PM

santino04

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Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 16

Hey guys, im sure its been posted a million time but ive read so many different things. What's a a good winrate for 1/2 fixed limit holdem ?

Thanks you

05-10-2014 , 05:53 AM

bicyclekick

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Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,078

anything positive

05-10-2014 , 10:21 AM

santino04

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Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 16

Is there still good money to be made with such small edges ?
Or are you better off putting your time and effort into NL ?

05-11-2014 , 12:45 AM

Victor

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pretty sure its unbeatable not counting rakeback

05-11-2014 , 04:41 AM

Gladiatoranc

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pretty sure its unbeatable not counting rakeback

Yeah i think you're right... I gave up trying to beat that game. It's a brutal fight just to break even. It's not even funny how the rake just totally rape you. To beat it you'd have to be one of the best and play PERFECTLY ALL THE TIME, which i can't, cause i think i'm still human.

So Victor, what games of you play these days?

05-11-2014 , 06:50 AM

krakrakra

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Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 305

lol...

05-11-2014 , 01:45 PM

Gladiatoranc

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Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 1,112

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Is there still good money to be made with such small edges ?
Or are you better off putting your time and effort into NL ?

Probably better off learning NL. But that doesn't mean you'll make money either. I think money shouldn't be your goal. Play for fun and try to at least break even after 10k + hands, and then take it from there.

05-12-2014 , 04:28 AM

Fergastra

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Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 582

So is 1/2 on stars a raketrap after all?
I have a healthy winrate for significant samples at .25/1 to 2/4 with 1/2 being the only exception.
I had figured that after the last rake changes by Stars the situation had gotten a little bit better?!

I have been playing a lot recently (going for 2x supernova this year) and am actually about to move up to 1/2 for good but now I am not so sure. I had previously figured that based on my past experiences, I might skip 1/2 altogether and wait a littler longer until I am rolled for 2/4, what would you advice?

05-12-2014 , 09:32 AM

Gladiatoranc

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Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 1,112

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he last rake changes by Stars

Wasn't aware of changes, what are they?

Quote:

going for 2x supernova this year

Going for Supernova playing Limit?

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I might skip 1/2 altogether and wait a littler longer until I am rolled for 2/4, what would you advice?

I'm not one of the best players here, so advice from a pro would be appreciated. I am myself not wanting to play at 1\2 $ and going to jump to 2\4$ and up.

05-12-2014 , 10:22 AM

#10

kenkott

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Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 68

1/2 I cannot imagine you could beat the rake and be a solid winning player, theres just no way.... I use to grind Paradise till i moved to live limit, 30/60 which is doable.
I would grind what your winning at, keep track of your win rate, totals, then bump past when BR allows it!

05-12-2014 , 10:28 AM

#11

mtobberup

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Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 38

At stars it is definately possible to beat 1/2.

Pretty sick you are going for 2x supernova playing .25/.50. Thats a lot of hands

05-12-2014 , 02:37 PM

#12

Fergastra

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Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 582

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gladiatoranc

Wasn't aware of changes, what are they?

Going for Supernova playing Limit?

I'm not one of the best players here, so advice from a pro would be appreciated. I am myself not wanting to play at 1\2 $ and going to jump to 2\4$ and up.

Last round of changes was in 2013 I believe, I remember changes to 1/2 and other limits

yeah, mostly 6 max, atm at .50/1 and starting to mix in 1/2, Ill move up to 2/4 by summer. Gl at 2/4!

More input would indeed be appreciated, most of my play at 1/2 was before 2013 and fullring in any case

05-12-2014 , 10:50 PM

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Gladiatoranc

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I have been playing a lot recently (going for 2x supernova this year)

What is the difference between 1x and 2x supernova. Anyways thats pretty sick bro... How many hours a day\week do you play. How many tables?

05-13-2014 , 01:57 AM

#14

Fergastra

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Originally Posted by Gladiatoranc

What is the difference between 1x and 2x supernova. Anyways thats pretty sick bro... How many hours a day\week do you play. How many tables?

The 2nd time around its worth $1400 more in stellar rewards than the first time.
I recently transitioned to 6max and I am playing .50/1 and 1/2 right now, looking to move up to 2/4 in in 4-8 weeks. Normally I play between 6 and 12 tables.

05-13-2014 , 11:13 AM

#15

pg_780

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Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,457

Gladiator, Victor and co: 1/2 is extremely beatable.

3/6 and 5/T especially are the death stakes. The rake is barely lower than at 2/4 but all the sne's play there. Most of them have negative WR's--some very negative--but they make it back with sne.

05-13-2014 , 12:39 PM

#16

Apanage

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Quote:

Originally Posted by santino04

Hey guys, im sure its been posted a million time but ive read so many different things. What's a a good winrate for 1/2 fixed limit holdem ?

Thanks you

Totally depends on where you play.
3-4 BB/100 is probably sustainable on some networks.
Rake isn't the biggest threat to your winrate. Poor table and site selection is.

05-13-2014 , 12:43 PM

#17

Fergastra

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Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 582

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apanage

Totally depends on where you play.
3-4 BB/100 is probably sustainable on some networks.
Rake isn't the biggest threat to your winrate. Poor table and site selection is.

Would you include Stars with the sites that that is true for?

05-13-2014 , 12:53 PM

#18

Apanage

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fergastra

Would you include Stars with the sites that that is true for?

I don't play 1/2 unless I adjust my HUD but 2/4 to 10/20 is significantly harder to beat at Stars compared to all other networks I play at.

I reckon a reasonable player can beat Stars 2/4 for 1 BB/100 and an expert player for +2 BB/100. But I do not dare to guess what a good winrate at 1/2 is.

05-13-2014 , 05:05 PM

#19

pg_780

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Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,457

Totally depends on where you play.
3-4 BB/100 is probably sustainable on some networks.
Rake isn't the biggest threat to your winrate. Poor table and site selection is.

I reckon a reasonable player can beat Stars 2/4 for 1 BB/100 and an expert player for +2 BB/100. But I do not dare to guess what a good winrate at 1/2 is.

Those winrates are way, way way too high. I don't think there's many players making 1BB/100 at 2/4. They play 6 tables+ but still....

05-13-2014 , 05:06 PM

#20

Victor

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pg_780

i am going by the stats of players that gladiator posts. those tables look very tough esp considering the rake.

05-13-2014 , 05:10 PM

#21

pg_780

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Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,457

Quote:

Originally Posted by Victor

i am going by the stats of players that gladiator posts. those tables look very tough esp considering the rake.

Still 100% beatable. I only play a little 1/2 but I think I could get close to
1BB/100 playing 6 tables. Edit, possibly more

05-13-2014 , 05:36 PM

#22

Apanage

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pg_780

Those winrates are way, way way too high. I don't think there's many players making 1BB/100 at 2/4. They play 6 tables+ but still....

You're talking about Pokerstars right? Has it changed that much the last year?

Imo It would be odd if you couldn't play 2-3 tables with good table and seat selection and be between a 1-2 BB/100 winner at 2/4. You probably can't make Supernova with that strategy but very few players aim that high if they play 1/2 or 2/4

05-13-2014 , 06:10 PM

#23

pg_780

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Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,457

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apanage

I haven't played less than 6 tables for a long time, but 1BB/100, with 2-3 tables, for a very good player...yes for sure. but a WR approaching 2 is a fairy tale imo

Last edited by pg_780; 05-13-2014 at 06:15 PM.

05-24-2014 , 05:30 PM

#24

Gladiatoranc

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Gladiator, Victor and co: 1/2 is extremely beatable.

What about you try it out? Play 10K hands and let us know how you're doing on PS.

05-25-2014 , 12:37 PM

#25

pg_780

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Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,457

[QUOTE=Gladiatoranc;43379074]What about you try it out? Play 10K hands and let us know how you're doing on PS.[/

"Stake","Game","Won","My C Won","Hands","Hands Won","Sessions","Sessions Won","BB/100","My C / 100","Hours","Rake Attrib"

"$1/$2 (6 max)","Holdem","$416.79","$416.79","14,563","2,819 (19.36%)","307","156 (50.81%)","1.43","$2.86","73.72","$922.36"

Apparently I can't figure out how to take a screen shot on windows, or how to copy/paste from PT4....but there are all the 1/2 hands I have on this comp. All on Stars. I play 6-9 tables

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