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Old 06-13-2009, 08:20 PM   #31
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Re: Defending BB vs. SB w/AKo

You dont ever c/r Ak as a bluff!!!

Get past that thought now!

If you c/r AK you do it because you want to get value from worse - well at least in most online games. I suppose in some live games you cant raise AK as a bluff on some boards
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Old 06-13-2009, 08:59 PM   #32
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Your steal % OTB is the same 3 handed as it is 6 handed. Well it should be. If you think they should be different you need to think harder. NOW!
Playing 3-handed you should always have at least one terrible player in the blinds. Therefore you should play more hands from the button. Ldo.
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Old 06-14-2009, 12:18 AM   #33
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Your steal % OTB is the same 3 handed as it is 6 handed. Well it should be. If you think they should be different you need to think harder. NOW!
Ok. I thought that when you are playing 3-handed, the game is much more of a struggle for the blinds because of the fact that the blinds come around sooner.

If you are playing 40% from the Button and 50% from the SB, that's only 9 out 20 hands (on avg) in 10 orbits, that you're competing for the blinds in those 2 seats.

That's almost 50% of the time, so I guess that it is often enough.
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Old 06-14-2009, 11:19 AM   #34
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Another thought I had about this. A lot of times you are probably still ahead on the flop. Probably about 2/3 of the time when you miss because Villain misses 2/3 of the time also. So I can see there could be value there 2/3 of the time. Is it more or less by theory?
But it's not good enough to simply state it this way when more information is available. We have to weight ranges against specific boards to decide which times we are likely ahead and which times we are not. So while 223r is good for us, J98 double tone is not.
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Old 06-14-2009, 11:43 AM   #35
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I've played 50+k hands on pokerstars and have 9 players with over 1k hands and only 2 have over 2k hands. 6 of them are winning over 1BB/100.

I have another 28 with over 500 & under 1k and another 23 with over 400 & under 500.

So, I would assume pokertracker is a tool in which you get maybe 50% of its usefulness on a site that doesn't allow datamining?

I know that I have more confidence in my notes on players than the stats, which is why I stick with a max of 2 tables of 1/2, so that I have time to make those notes. However, I play for entertainment purposes, with the goal of winning.

If I get on a juicy table of 1/2 with new players, that is the only table I play until I get some good notes on the players.
There are so many players in the lower games that you just aren't going to get enough hands on most players for the majority of stats to ever converge. It's true that individual notes can tell much more than frequencies that may take thousands of hands to converge. For instance, you see a 33/25 guy open limp the CO several times, then probably != a solid LAG. Similarly, an apparent TAG regular seems to have a low BTN steal% at 35%, but you observe him stealing with J7o and 65s.
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Old 06-14-2009, 12:37 PM   #36
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It is exactly polarized because your c/r range is air, say 8 high or T high and pairs or better.

To be not polarized you need to add hands in between, like A high.

If a polarized player cr you on 227 then you can profitably call down K high and its not profitable to 3bet 87 or raise the turn with it. If a balanced player c/r you on 227 then calling down KT is either unprofitable or less profitable and you lose value agaisnt the A high hands when you dont 3bet 87.
ok i think i get it now.

you said c/ring pairs or better and air was polarized and that it would be easy for opponent to call down with KT. but i thought "if opp is calling down with KT, that just means we have too many bluffs in our range so couldnt we just throw out some of our bluffs and then we'd be balanced again. he cant just call down KT easily anymore." i was thinking we dont have to add AK/AQ/AJ in order to have a balanced c/r range. i thought we could still have a polarized range (pairs+ and air) but still be balanced.

but if we raise AK/AQ/AJ, he now has reason to play back with 87. This is the part I didnt understand before. by encouraging him to play back with 87 and similar hands, we now get a lot more value for our monster hands like overpairs or trips. before when we were polarized, the opponent had no reason to play 87 and KT differently since they were both essentially bluff catchers. 87 is obviously better than KT but against a polarized range, 87 would do best by inducing bluffs. Overall this is bad for us b/c if hands as strong as 87 (which is maybe top 15% of his range) are correct to just call down against our range, then our monsters rarely going to get a lot of action.

so by adding AK/AQ/AJ, our monsters benefit a lot because we should get more action from 87 and and our bluffs benefit b/c he's discouraged from trying to bluff catch with A or K high. futhrermore, the cost of adding AK/AQ/AJ (if there even is a cost) is pretty small b/c these hands already have great equity against a button open range on a 722r board. another potential cost is that we also expose ourself to semibluffs and potentially folding AK/AQ/AJ when its the best hand, but this also gets us more value for our strong hands that just call down after c/ring (mid PPs, 7's).

and even if we dont get more action from 87 to benefit our monsters, that just means the cost of raising AK/AQ/AJ is cheaper since he doesnt punish us by getting more value from his stronger hands. and if opponent still decides he wants to pick off our bluffs with KT, then we are now getting even more value vs his bluff catchers b/c we've added some thinner value raises with AK/AQ/AJ.

this couldn't have happened when we had a polarized range b/c then hands ranging from 87 to QT were basically the same hand strength. he cant value raise since with 87 since there's too many better hands in our range (7's higher PP's and 2x), and he cant semibluff QT b/c only worse hands (air) fold. so opponent's best strategy is to call down with a lot of his range, which hurts our monsters and bluffs. adding AK changes all that b/c now he might fold bluff catchers, he can semibluff to try to get us to fold, and he can value raise lighter, and all of these actions that hurt AK will help some other part of our range.
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Old 06-14-2009, 03:00 PM   #37
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good post Steve
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