call down given the board texture?

[mathfreak]

hey all

I have trouble play mid PP with overs on the board.

Was it correct to call down until the river - will post full hand with no results

villian is a 37/23/6.4/0.9.

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.20 Limit Hold'em - 3 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BTN with 7 7
Hero raises, SB 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero calls

Flop: (7 SB) 5 Q J (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls

Turn: (4.5 BB) 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls

River: (6.5 BB) 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls

[antneye]

I think I just check back the river, but I like the rest.

[TH3CLOWN]

Originally Posted by antneye

I think I just check back the river, but I like the rest.

Yes , I would bet the turn to and check back river.
I bet the turn to squeeze on more bet out of AK, AT, some with a heart

The river I would check , but perhaps that is villain dependent to.
I would check because now I have charged all these hands but they all missed and
I don't want to valuebet for him if he has a pocket pair higher then me like 88-TT

I could be way of with this, but I'm learning to

[mjackson]

Is that 6.4 his 3bet percentage?

[mathfreak]

Yes organised as vpip/pfr/3bet/agg
Thought that was the standard line up used on here.

[bobhalford]

I dig it. You get called on the river by worse hands a lot.

[mjackson]

In a huhu match I would actually fold the flop given that stat but I think you would need a strong read that he is actually 3betting a 6.4% range and not throwing too much trash in there.

[antneye]

Originally Posted by bobhalford

I dig it. You get called on the river by worse hands a lot.

not so sure about that. I think we see a lot of 88-TT and AJ here when we bet and get called. What else in his 3! range calls our bet on river after checking on the turn and river?

If he is very showdown bound and likes to make A hi call-downs then I might tilt this to a bet since he can have a few Ax hands left that we are ahead of. I don't really expect to see very many lower PP's either.

[bobhalford]

Originally Posted by antneye

not so sure about that. I think we see a lot of 88-TT and AJ here when we bet and get called. What else in his 3! range calls our bet on river after checking on the turn and river?

If he is very showdown bound and likes to make A hi call-downs then I might tilt this to a bet since he can have a few Ax hands left that we are ahead of. I don't really expect to see very many lower PP's either.

I assume that if he has a pair, he's betting the turn. Since we don't raise the flop (which he ought to expect us to with Qx/Jx), his AK/AT type hand doesn't want to pay more than 1 bet to see the river. I think we get called by worse hands often enough, because they can try to pick off bluffs from our busted str8/flush draws on the river.

[Paul Valente]

We're usually in pretty good shape once he checks the turn. Can't ask for a much safer river card . . .

[Tryptamean]

checking river is really bad.

[antneye]

Originally Posted by Tryptamean

checking river is really bad.

I typically v-bet thin, but maybe I have lost that at some point..I need to take a look at spots like this and see if I am missing bets all of a sudden.

[pg_780]

Originally Posted by antneye

not so sure about that. I think we see a lot of 88-TT and AJ here when we bet and get called. What else in his 3! range calls our bet on river after checking on the turn and river?

If he is very showdown bound and likes to make A hi call-downs then I might tilt this to a bet since he can have a few Ax hands left that we are ahead of. I don't really expect to see very many lower PP's either.

A normal sb 3 bet range would have a ton of hands worse than 77 there. easy value bet.

Even if his real 3 bet is 6%, he'll have so many ak's when he takes that line that we should bet.



Sorry, didn't mean to overkill....

[antneye]

Originally Posted by pg_780

A normal sb 3 bet range would have a ton of hands worse than 77 there. easy value bet.

Even if his real 3 bet is 6%, he'll have so many ak's when he takes that line that we should bet.



Sorry, didn't mean to overkill....

Not overkill. I appreciate the discussion because I seem to be missing some v-bets lately and/or making poor V-bets also.

In this case I was thinking that the hands worse than 77 (lower PP's, UI overcards) would have barreled on the turn. Him check/calling the turn indicated to me that he is looking to get to SD cheaply with a hand that has fairly good showdown value.

If you are villain, what portion of your SB 3! range are you going into C/C mode on turn and river with and which portion are you continuing to barrel on turn and river with?

[pg_780]

Originally Posted by antneye

Not overkill. I appreciate the discussion because I seem to be missing some v-bets lately and/or making poor V-bets also.

In this case I was thinking that the hands worse than 77 (lower PP's, UI overcards) would have barreled on the turn. Him check/calling the turn indicated to me that he is looking to get to SD cheaply with a hand that has fairly good showdown value.

If you are villain, what portion of your SB 3! range are you going into C/C mode on turn and river with and which portion are you continuing to barrel on turn and river with?

Tt, 99, 88 would be the only hands we're value towning ourselves with, and it would be really weak for villain to c /c those on the turn.

He might have ak,at, any ace with a heart, 22,33,44, a5. Even though his 3 bet is so low, I still expect him to loosen up vs a btn raise. Also, he might slowplay the very top of his range.

But the point is, if we're good better than half the time we should bet. And I think ak/at especially is so common here that we need to bet.