WARNING: long post coming. I spent some time trying to answer your questions and then justify my answer with stove ... a useful exercise, probably worth going through the steps yourself with assumptions that apply to the games you are playing, instead of the ones I think I am.
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Originally Posted by antneye
What would you consider to be a baseline button 3! range against an EP raise...and for a CO raise?
grunch, because I suck at thinking about what range I should be playing.
I've been bouncing between .25/.5 and .5/1 for a while now so I kind of suck. Consider my words more a discussion point than any kind of useful advice.
By EP I'll assume you mean UTG/UTG+1 and estimate the raiser's range at say 99+, AT+, KJs, KQ and sometimes more random paint. Against this I like 55+, A3s+, A6o+, KJs, KQ as a starting point. I see a fair bit of random paint from some players though which quickly makes me widen this range. I'll even stretch into the suited connectors if I think the villain is likely to be passive or fit/fold postflop.
To get a range vs CO I had to play with stove for a while. Part of the problem is in constructing a range for CO: if I'm table selecting correctly, CO is a fish so he limps preflop (thus my 3! range is smaller) or I have some idea how to take pots away from him postflop (making my range wider). That's not really helpful in answering your question though, so I pretended CO doesn't limp and made up a range that might be somewhere near my median, coming up with a 22% range, and got something I like against that:
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[51.4%] CO open: 22+,A5s+,K8s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T9s,98s,A9o+,KTo+,QTo+,JTo
[48.6%] BTN 3!: 44+,A2s+,K2s+,Q6s+,J8s+,T8s+,98s,87s,A7o+,KJo+,QJo,JTo
Compare my ranges for an EP open:
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[56.7%] EP open: 99+,ATs+,KJs+,ATo+,KQo
[43.3%] BTN 3!: 55+,A3s+,KTs+,QJs,A6o+,KQo
This looks pretty bad, but if we remove EP's capping range we're in much better shape:
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[51.2%] EP open/call: TT-99,AQs-ATs,KJs+,AQo-ATo,KQo
[48.8%] BTN 3!: 55+,A3s+,KTs+,QJs,A6o+,KQo
.. which suggests my 3! range vs a CO open could be a bit wider.
disclaimer #2: I haven't compared these to Leader's original charts which I tried to live by when I was getting started, that would also be revealing I'm sure.
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