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Old 04-21-2012, 10:32 AM   #1
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A9o: BVB

villain has only played 3 hands so no reads. River play? B/C? B/F? Ck back?


Merge - $0.25/$0.50 (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $1.78
BTN: $12.89
SB: $12.19
Hero (BB): $15.00
UTG: $65.13
MP: $12.74

SB posts SB $0.10, Hero posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has 9 A

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to $0.50, Hero calls $0.25

Flop: ($1.00, 2 players) A 3 6
SB bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.25

Turn: ($1.50, 2 players) 9
SB bets $0.50, Hero raises to $1.00, SB calls $0.50

River: ($3.50, 2 players) T
SB checks, Hero?
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Old 04-21-2012, 12:10 PM   #2
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Re: A9o: BVB

Raise pf, you could choose to raise flop also since many players may not barrel the turn and just give up given the board texture. River is a b/c never checking behind ever.
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Old 04-21-2012, 12:31 PM   #3
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Raise pf, you could choose to raise flop also since many players may not barrel the turn and just give up given the board texture. River is a b/c never checking behind ever.
I pretty much never pre 3 against a SB steal....perhaps it's a leak, but I know lot's of regs believe this to be a pretty standard strategy.
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Old 04-21-2012, 12:45 PM   #4
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Re: A9o: BVB

I think a lot of regs choose to flat oop to c/r a lot of flops. I haven't encountered any regs who flat their whole range IP. Given the stakes you are playing at I would rather just go for the straight up value play since most players at those stakes won't be thinking players anyways so there is really no reason to disguise your hand. But thats just me.
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Old 04-21-2012, 12:49 PM   #5
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I think a lot of regs choose to flat oop to c/r a lot of flops. I haven't encountered any regs who flat their whole range IP. Given the stakes you are playing at I would rather just go for the straight up value play since most players at those stakes won't be thinking players anyways so there is really no reason to disguise your hand. But thats just me.
I'll have to re-think this one. Perhaps you're right and I am taking this concept too far.
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Old 04-21-2012, 12:58 PM   #6
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Re: A9o: BVB

you should be 3betting a fair amount, but its fine to call this hand here. waiting til the turn to raise is also fine, as is bet/calling the river.
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Old 04-23-2012, 03:33 AM   #7
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Re: A9o: BVB

not sure why you would consider checking back river. and agree w/others re: the pf thing.
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Old 04-23-2012, 06:11 AM   #8
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Re: A9o: BVB

Would have played PF same- not sure if its worth a raise here as my BB play is a leak atm.
Flop I would have raised - we have TP in a blind battle.
Turn would have raised
River I would have to B/C I think our hand is too good to fold to a raise.

Would anyone jam the turn given the opportunity? Something leader siad in a stat post sticks in my mind and just wondering if its correct here
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Old 04-23-2012, 08:59 AM   #9
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not sure why you would consider checking back river. and agree w/others re: the pf thing.
I didn't actually consider it...just included it as one of our possible actions.
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Old 04-23-2012, 09:02 AM   #10
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Re: A9o: BVB

What is a reasonable starting point range to be 3-betting pre. (I know we need to adjust based on villain and reads). I am going to take a deeper look at this area of my game.

I actually b/c'd river btw...just checking my line to see if it was right. I was raising the turn regardless of hitting 2 pr. I chose to forego the flop raise for a turn raise.
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Old 04-23-2012, 09:48 AM   #11
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Re: A9o: BVB

I 3bet my top 26% vs most.

The thing about being aggressive out of the BB in bvb spots is you're going to force sb to tighten up some unless he loves being 3b by you. If they're a decent player that table selects well they might even decide to leave the game opening a spot for a potential fish. Even if sb starts folding some of their marginal holdings they normally raise with is a win onto it self. Who doesn't like winning money without a fight?
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Old 04-23-2012, 11:37 AM   #12
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Re: A9o: BVB

Yeah, you can make life miserable for the SB through exploiting your positional advantage by 3-betting a lot in the BB. You can simultaneously gain value and the initiative to play the hand however you like.
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Old 04-23-2012, 04:33 PM   #13
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Re: A9o: BVB

It's fine calling like 90-100% in the BB its a stylistic thing mostly and it depends on how perceptive your opponents are. I prefer to 3 a wide range, but both are equally defendable BvB positions.

Since you have a fair amout of crap in your range on this flop from flatting a bunch you need to bluff raise this flop and therefore need to raise your value hands such as A9.

Bet the river and call a c/r.
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Old 04-24-2012, 01:00 AM   #14
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Re: A9o: BVB

IMO 3! Bet Preflop is almost a must in this situation unless some amazing read of SB.

It really sets up line for the rest of the hand.

Based on how your villain reacts to your 3! increases ever bit of information about his hand on the flop based on his reaction to your PF 3!. Especially with you IP.
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Old 04-24-2012, 04:29 PM   #15
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Re: A9o: BVB

If there's a decision on the river, it's between b/c and b/3 (I b/c).

It seems that your strategy is to never raise pf or the flop? Against a player who will cbet the flop AND turn 100% of the time this can be ok, I suppose. Against an unknown though, you're missing too much value because they will check the turn often.
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