It's dumb that sites let people play that many tables as well as dumb that people choose to play that many tables.

I've definitely had a few moments in my career where I found myself trying to play too many tables and almost auto-pilot them...and the results always were underwhelming.

One of my tests to see if i'm playing too many is if I can comfortably take a decent note on a player without getting a stressed feeling with other hands taking place.

Sauce did say in his latest joe ingram that he thinks plo is a lot more mechanical than NL and you dont have to worry about exploiting/being exploited as much if you have a high level understanding of the game...and it almost plays itself based on your cards. I could have misunderstood, but that was my impression.

Joey and Sauce were having a fake debate where Joey had to defend PLO and Sauce had to defend NLHE. Joey just got owned by Sauce's superior debating skills or at least pretended to... Joey is usually super nice to guests and doesn't try to punk them.

But Ben's point was simply that there are a lot of spots in PLO where you can use blockers to determine something like bluffing frequency. Like on a 3 heart river where you check to me, I might bluff with my single hearts but give up with no hearts. But in NLHE, I wouldn't be able to do this because I only have 2 cards and won't be bluffing enough if I only bet a naked heart. Plus, it would be really weird for me to somehow have air with a naked heart. So in NLHE, I would need to somehow make sure I am bluffing x% of the time with no help from my blockers. Some NLHE and even LHE players will use a random number generator in these spots. Others just have everything planned out so well that they just know when to bluff based on where they are in their range.

It is somewhat of a coincidence that using blockers so closely approximates proper bluffing and bluff catching frequencies in PLO, and it is not always the correct way to play. Sometimes you definitely want to bluff with no heart blockers due to tells or tendencies. Sometimes you want to give up with a naked heart for the same reasons.

That's all that Sauce was saying, but he is right. The ability to overbet and the lack of blockers do add some complexity to NLHE that PLO doesn't have. But overall, PLO is def a more complex game. Autopiloting should be suicidal in either game... much moreso than with LHE.

Joey and the PLO community get on my nerves quite a bit by repeatedly bringing up those PLO bots that were crushing on Stars as proof that PLO is also in danger of being solved. To me, it is extremely obvious that those bots were succeeding due to hole card sharing. Hole card sharing is absolutely devastating in PLO. Those bots could be trash on their own, but monsters due to hole card sharing. That was their trick.

What about The Dream Machine?!?!?!

Good podcast. A lot of skillz, but Sauce's self awareness probably makes him the best overall poker player in the world or the nicest guy, I'm not sure.

#FreeElo

Deathdonkey just accepted my friend request after 6ish years

Odds that you're now friends with a Russian hacker?

Low, I'm just dumb sometimes. I stumbled into a page in the facebook iphone app I have no idea how I got to or had not gotten to previously and found a whole bunch of friend requests from some unknown period of time. The vast majority were from strange names with hot girl pictures and no mutual friends (I didn't click accept on these obvious traps!!) and SG was lumped in there

SG is usually lumped in between hot girls

I declined that_pope's friend request on Venmo.

Have been running bad with women recently. Trying to keep positive since my sklansky f***s are still respectable.

graph?

GAWWWWWWWWWWWDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD I hate losing in huhu to TAG guys who are obviously non-fish regs ... but also, you know, not any ****ing good at poker. In other words, every non-fish who plays 2/4 and 3/6 other than yours truly.

You just know that these guys in particular (tags who play in the 2p2 style) think they are pretty good. I wish I had such a delusion, but I understand the truth -- that I am bad, but all of these other guys are somehow even worse. I really don't care about money; I never even spend it when I have it -- I would be happy to be perma-broke if these guys would publicly admit that they suck at limit hold'em compared to me.

I would much rather lose to fish (~75% of the player pool) than these guys, for reasons other than the obvious one that fish are more likely to give the money back.

The best guys at these limits are some dudes who seem super weird and spazzy all over the place (including coldcalling and limping and ****) but also somehow logical and balanced. There was one guy a year or two ago when I was playing 20 and 30 that tortured me in this fashion.

My biggest leak (apart from the non-gameplay degen stuff) is overestimating my opponents, and it's not even close. Like, not (necessarily) overestimating the strength of their hands, but their ability to think logically and play reasonably. Anybody else? It manifests itself in so many different ways.

Like, in spots in big pots on the river where my hand is face up by this point, and I have a very good but non-nut hand, I will just bet/call when I should bet/3, or r/call when I should r/4, etc., because even though I OBVIOUSLY CAN ONLY EVER HAVE ZZ XX YY OR MAYBE XY SUITED IF I FEEL FRISKY I often forget just how mind-bendingly stupid these guys are.

These mothers do stuff I knew was bad the very first time I ever played poker. Am I just some unparalleled genius?

Not to be harsh, but your biggest leak is neither of those.

By all means, please continue, I'm very curious!

Yes

for 0.2 seconds thought elo was back.

Why did it stop at 0.2?
Still running for me.

Yeah, who would that be if not Elo. Unguarded does have some rants, but he isn't on his 50th username since Black Friday.

You fight your personal demons more than your opponents.

Answer accepted.

lolwat

Oh, yeah, no doubt. I was including all of that in the "(apart from the non-gameplay degen stuff)" section of my post.

Said demons were not as powerful when I had a lot of money.

I have been slightly better at reasonable bankroll management, over the past month that I've been playing again.

WB elo! Early NBA season and/or Pacers thoughts? Also, ru still at JJ's, any new updates?

WS Game 7. Ready to set some cars on fire tonight.

The Pacers are a highly talented team that is constructed poorly. They have roughly 17 combo guards that all need the ball to be effective and all bring the same thing to the team. Before the season started I predicted they'd be 3rd or 4th in the East, behind Cleveland, Toronto and probably Boston. Myles Turner is just incredible, and is probably already the 2nd best player on the team.

I left JJ's about 2 months ago, and am currently grinding away with roughly negative 2 months worth of money saved behind me. Good to talk with you.

Elo, I actually agree with you. A huge percentage of regs in all forms of poker are arrogant morons who think they are good at poker and need the living **** kicked out of them. Bovada/Ignition and live poker dramatically worsen this effect because soft games feed their delusions. At least on Stars, people receive overwhelming evidence that they are not special when guys like St1ck and Heis bloodbath them on a daily basis and they are forced to deal with their .2 BB/100 "winrate" that would prolly be below zero if not for variance.

What makes things even worse is that people who actually are great at poker tend to be humble, laid back, and relatively cool. If we were genuinely being owned by the arrogant tardregs, it would be one thing. It would be motivating and/or funny. But they are usually terrible human beings who are so impossible to deal with that I want to just erase them from the planet. But I can't. I honestly believe that the world would instantly become a better place if all arrogant tardregs were exterminated tomorrow.

And btw, there are occasionally some mediocre regs who are humble and cool and have insight into their mediocrity. But they are rare.

And the worst part of all is that I hate these people so much that I cannot stand being around them. When I think about playing live poker, I think about dealing with these insects for hours on end. I instantly hated them when I began playing live poker and it just never got better. This is one of their greatest strengths. They repel better players by being so intolerably obnoxious. Unfortunately, fish hate them and the tardregs are too stupid to realize that they ruin poker with their idiotic thought processes and behavior. No multi-millionaire fish wants to be around some arrogant tardreg who thinks he is a god because he makes 60k/year grinding poker.

And yes... these people are so disgusting that it is actually possible to sense their presence online on anonymous tables. They somehow transmit their revolting auras through the internet which is kind of amazing.

I do think that playing high stakes helps to some extent. 10/20-20/40 live and 2/4-5/T online seems to be the playground for arrogant tardregs though they do routinely infest slightly bigger games as well.

In my never ending quest to not suck at PLO, I have to deal with losing to these people regularly. It is motivating though. Getting to a point where I can take their money on a daily basis will be a lot of fun for awhile. The days that I realized I was not only beating but crushing the Stars LHE tardregs were beautiful days indeed. More than anything, I look forward to showing these people that an LHE player can wreck them at what is supposedly the most complex of the commonly played forms of poker.

One more point... professional online PLO short stackers all need to be killed. 100 BB buy-ins are already too small for PLO. Buying in for 30 BBs insta-sucks the fun out of the table and the fish hate it. Even pros who buy in for 100 BBs routinely leave the table if they get deep. This is definitely one area where live PLO gets it right and online fails.