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02-18-2015 , 07:40 PM
The results below are just a reflection of my personality and I wish I had done things differently during all these hands I played. Like coaching, discussing hands, reading books etc. These are the results of all the hands I played at Pokerstars, I am missing a lot of hands spread over other sites as well, but these results are not any better, MTT’s are not included as well. It might seem not that many hands , but I have a “normal” job , but this was pretty much a waste of precious time I guess.


I have to face the truth, I am not capable for this game , I know which people are smart and strategic sublime , but I am not one of those people. The lost dollars don’t hurt me , more the fact that I can’t compete on the same level as these winning players and a lot of you guys, who I respect a lot. Even when I know who are smart or what it takes, I just can't manage to get there. Everything is okay, this is not a sad story, just an eye opener and maybe a lesson for others like me.

Cheers,

Johan

Pokerstars
Total hands 946.470
Lost -$28.152,96
Rake Paid $113.161,24




Last edited by TH3CLOWN; 02-18-2015 at 07:48 PM.
02-18-2015 , 08:28 PM
No, that is a lot of hands. Over how much time? What stakes? What was total BB/100? Were the broken pics graphs?
02-18-2015 , 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by dark_horse
No, that is a lot of hands. Over how much time? What stakes? What was total BB/100? Were the broken pics graphs?
1. The results from Stars date back to 2007. I am embarrassed to say I played 281.701 minutes. This is excluded all MTT's or the games I played on other sites.
2. On Stars BB/100 0,03 over all games. The stakes and games below tells why this is positive.



02-18-2015 , 10:03 PM
fwiw, 5/T is the only game I could not beat long term. My hunch is the increased relative skill of the field with the rake still that high makes it a tough mountain to climb. I'm down $3500 lifetime over 128k hands, or -0.27/100.
02-18-2015 , 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Unguarded
Also, Jungleman podcasts are the absolute nuts. Very few people are simultaneously as brilliant and inarticulate. It's like he believes he is so intelligent that it is impossible for anyone else to understand his thought process. But in reality, he is just horrible at expressing himself.

He was a lot better in his most recent podcast though... seemed a lot more relaxed and fluid. By far my favorite moment:

Joe Ingram and the viewers notice that Jungleman's biceps are getting pretty big, so they ask him if he has been lifting. It turns out that he is lifting regularly, and has someone writing up his workout program. Jungleman mentions that he does not like doing bench press because the weight falls on him a lot. Joe Ingram asks him for clarification... yes, Jungleman is seriously repeatedly doing free weight bench press reps by himself and lifting so heavy that he drops the weights on himself. Jungleman even says that the weights fell on his neck recently. Joe Ingram suggests that Jungleman either get a spotter or lift lighter when he doesn't have anyone around to help him out. Jungleman gets a serious, thoughtful look on his face as he ponders the suggestion and agrees that this might be a good idea.

Kid is a beast, easily the biggest online winner the last 3 years, but god damn, some of the every day things he struggles with has rain man shaking his head lol.

Super smart though, relative to non-gym activities.
02-21-2015 , 04:55 AM
lol jungleman, that is awesome. Btw, I use the p***y pad on the barbell for bench after I bruised my chest once and the pain never went away. Come at me.

re: passwords
So it turns out I also forgot the password to my bitcoin wallet. Encrypting that **** seemed like a great idea at the time.

And this cat is [x] in

02-21-2015 , 09:07 PM
Wow... in the past, I have always stuck almost exclusively to the LHE forums. I never even looked at NVG. But now that the LHE forums have died down so much, I read a lot of other forums. And I really feel like a dumbass for sticking with LHE for a decade.

I mean wtf... this Donger Kim HU match is cool and all, but 25/50? I mean those 2 guys have NVG drooling all over them and are mini-superstars right now. That would be similar to playing maybe 150/300 at highest in LHE. Yet almost nobody gives a damn about KPR, Chung Ho, Kagome Kagome, etc. when they take on all comers at 500/1000+ LHE.

I am convinced that LHE is the absolute worst of the major games to be involved in on every possible level. PLO, NL, mixed, donkaments... just infinitely better games to be involved in even if they are on the decline as we speak. LHE = much tougher games + dying by far the fastest + nobody gives a damn about you for being good at it.

And people have been telling me this **** for years. Yet inevitably, I start learning a new game, get tilted within a month, and go back to my LHE comfort zone.

But I think it has finally happened. I have finally reached a point where I realize that continuing to focus on LHE is just super ******ed. I should have come to this conclusion a long time ago, but better late than never.

I would really like to become competent at every major game. That would own. Like not a crusher, but the equivalent of a 2008 1 BB/100 bumhunter TAGfish in 10/20 LHE 6-max. I realize that this is probably really hard to do, but it would certainly be awesome and fun. And I would never have to worry about finding a soft game if I can play almost everything.

I have rambled about this **** for ages, but I really hope I can stick with it this time. It is time to leave LHE behind.
02-21-2015 , 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by RonMexico
re: passwords
So it turns out I also forgot the password to my bitcoin wallet. Encrypting that **** seemed like a great idea at the time.
What wallet do you use? Do you have no idea what the password is at all, or do you kind of know it but not exactly?
02-21-2015 , 10:45 PM
It's just the standard local wallet. I could brute force the password out if I had to using all of my known password stems (I calculated about 500 possible combos), but I'm not gonna worry about it unless btc shoots back up to over 1k. Using Electrum now which seems way better.

UG, I know this game probably isn't on any site you can play for real money in U.S., but have you spent much time on OFC pineapple? It's probably my favorite game to study right now. I think even players that are considered really good are still making lots of big mistakes.
02-22-2015 , 12:16 AM
Confirmed pineapple OFC is the most fun thing ever. Also looking for action if anyone wants to play on the pineapple poker app
02-22-2015 , 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Unguarded

I am convinced that LHE is the absolute worst of the major games to be involved in on every possible level. PLO, NL, mixed, donkaments... just infinitely better games to be involved in even if they are on the decline as we speak. LHE = much tougher games + dying by far the fastest + nobody gives a damn about you for being good at it.
You are right about gaining recognition but having played several thousands of hands HU NLHE, I can promise you that limit games are infinitely more fun.
02-23-2015 , 05:06 AM
Am I the only one who ever raises the blinds, and then after getting c/r's on the 336 flop feel like like going to 17 bets because **** you and your 47.

Last edited by ZOMG_RIGGED!; 02-23-2015 at 05:07 AM. Reason: Obv he's going to just turn he stone cold nuts with a 4 on ththe though
02-23-2015 , 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by kpr16
You are right about gaining recognition but having played several thousands of hands HU NLHE, I can promise you that limit games are infinitely more fun.
I imagine you go insane playing big bet games given how fast you play LHE lol. The slow pace of big bet games drives me nuts and is one of the biggest reasons I don't play them much. People tanking forever tilts me hard.
02-23-2015 , 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Unguarded
The slow pace of big bet games drives me nuts and is one of the biggest reasons I don't play them much. People tanking forever tilts me hard.
I completely agree. I have never understood why guys will take 35 second to check in a spot where both players know they are auto checking.
02-23-2015 , 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by cottonseed1
I completely agree. I have never understood why guys will take 35 second to check in a spot where both players know they are auto checking.
The sad thing is that it might be optimal to do this.

NL is just a horrible game.
02-23-2015 , 03:39 PM
So just as UG finally sees the light and is leaving LHE behind youse guys try to rope him back in. He may never escape.
02-23-2015 , 03:43 PM
Can you imagine a world where DrElo and Unguarded are the end bosses of PLO? You could have the interview after DrElo busts Phil Galfond and Sauce simultaneously playing nutso stakes.

Interviewer: now that both of them are broke, what next?
Elo: No idea, just wish LHE would come back. PLO is so boring.
02-23-2015 , 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by networth
So just as UG finally sees the light and is leaving LHE behind youse guys try to rope him back in. He may never escape.
We're just bashing big bet games... LO8, 2-7, etc. are still fair game!
02-24-2015 , 11:18 AM
Although I now prefer live to online - probably a combination of social is fun for me and the ability to be a winner comparable to 2003 LHE - the choice available online would suck me back in in a minute if online comes back to the land of the free.

Favorite games to play: 1)LO8, 2)2-7TD, 3)stud8, 4)LHE, 5)PLO

Most frequently played games last 3 years: 1,2,3)NLHE, 4)PLO, 5)LO8

Also short handed much more fun, while it's pulling teeth to get live shorthanded going. Pace of play doesn't really bother me at all. Not really as slow as folks making it out.
02-25-2015 , 07:52 AM
Something interesting David Sklansky said in his most recent podcast... he suggests that the most fun game for recreational players should be a game where the variance is super high and playing twice as many hands in the opening round as the pros isn't much of a disadvantage. He says that fixed limit Omaha hi is the closest game to this description that he can think of, and that he thinks it has potential to catch on if people will give it a chance.

Has anyone played fixed limit Omaha hi? I notice it is actually available on Bovada. What is the knock on this game? Too flippish to beat the rake?
02-25-2015 , 03:26 PM
**** nlh. **** nlh up its stupid ass. and yes, i've played limit omaha hi, and it just seemed too straight forward. idk, i think everybody's experience is extremely limited and i don't expect it to catch on. don't know why bovada has it. wish they'd just get 2-7 or some 6max 30/60 lo8 tables. seriously, wtf is up with the fr only? every time i join a good 4handed game, it fills up within 5 minutes, then i unclick the autopost, and a half hour later i can finally leave.
02-25-2015 , 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Unguarded
Something interesting David Sklansky said in his most recent podcast... he suggests that the most fun game for recreational players should be a game where the variance is super high and playing twice as many hands in the opening round as the pros isn't much of a disadvantage. He says that fixed limit Omaha hi is the closest game to this description that he can think of, and that he thinks it has potential to catch on if people will give it a chance.

Has anyone played fixed limit Omaha hi? I notice it is actually available on Bovada. What is the knock on this game? Too flippish to beat the rake?
If you want to "save poker", which is what it sounds like he was talking about, it doesn't make sense to promote a game that doesn't exist live. And I can't see how any variant of Omahaha will ever become anywhere near mainstream in live play.
02-25-2015 , 07:08 PM
It isn't what would become popular, his discussion is about what should become popular. You're looking for a game that doesn't punish rec players for playing too many hands (which is how most play). A game where "tight is right" applies less, than say FR NL.
02-25-2015 , 08:23 PM
We play some limit Omaha High in Arizona between 40/80 and 150/3 and the fishes absolutely love it. It is kinda a silly game the variance is obscene but it's definitely good action and I am happy if people want to play it. There really are no "bad" poker games imo just different stylistic things about each
02-25-2015 , 08:39 PM
Clearly we need to invent some type of drinking game that we can play for money.

I attempted this once before with "*******." Every time a player had to drink, he also had to throw one chip into the pot. At the end of the hand, the President wins the pot. The ******* has to post a double blind bet next hand. Neither the Vice President nor the President has to post anything.

If you can't play a card, you must drink and throw a chip into the pot.

If you get skipped, you must drink and throw a chip into the pot.

Deuces are wild and threes clear.

Pres gets *******s best card.

Pres gives any card he chooses to the *******.

Skip on a social; everyone drinks and throws in a chip. Social clears to the player that threw the social.

If you make the pres drink and throw in a chip, then he or she has the option to make you drink with him or her and also throw in a chip.

Thumb rule is on. Last player to have his thumb on the table must drink and throw in a chip.

Doubles on Aces and triples on double Aces.

No reversies.

etc.

      
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