I owe infinite money to Comcast, those gut robbing sons of bitches.

or

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See, he's already up to $40. I just want to live stream Elo screaming at the computer, madly raising fools, and generally degenning away the kickstarter money. Do we want poker defined by buttoned-tight math nerds droning on and on about "optimal this" and "taking a suboptimal line here" that? I think not. DrElo's kickstarter funded rampage through the LHE world could lead to a resurgence in the game. Or not.

Also, dude with a salad. Anything is possible.

GoT has crack-like tendencies.

Maybe send them a bill back itemizing the cost of disconnects over the years and say they owe you?

http://poker.srv.ualberta.ca/

All of your HU questions answered above!

I still think a good exploitive bot can beat a perfect GTO bot. GTO is very 2008...

The bot said it would crush you, own your soul, and wouldn't even care enough to call you names.

Some say it isn't a poker bot, but actually is the Stig

nice try buddy...

I like how nobody was really buying your pitch that the bot would post the highest winrates. The best part of it is how they cite some imaginary player that stacks off with 1 pair and never bluffs as being someone to use "expert" level knowledge against. The far more likely scenario is that all real games are way more complex than that and even the best humans really have no idea how to maximally exploit anyone, instead making tons of small mistakes that they don't even realize (I know you already made this point, just reiterating).

Who are you talking to?

I'm sure it will soon be proven either way.

Sauce offered to book the bot against anyone.

For how much?

It is sauce, so I assume for more than I have. His post is here. Think they were offering to go 7 figures with Dwan, earlier.

Was referring to Wolfram's posts in some NVG thread. Some people think the bot is EV neutral against all players (lol) and a rather large contingency thinks human players would win much more than the bot in real online games. Although, to be fair, it's not clear who is talking about LHE vs. NLHE in some of those threads.

This happened this past WSOP one night. Dwan won a bunch

Wasn't the rumor that jungleman took some of that action? Also, were you there?

Anyone play in these Bovada 8/16-30/60 O8 games? They seem to be running pretty often, so wondering how soft they are and whether they run enough to make it worthwhile to learn the game.

I'm personally skeptical of the 30/60 that run, especially the fullring when there are 3 or 4 of them but nothing in the several stakes lower than that, but the 5/10 8/16 10/20 have been pretty soft at times. Of course people could still be colluding in those and everyone else is so bad that it isn't as noticeable.

I think learning the game is certainly a good idea either way - just gives you more flexibility in game selection - and a lot of people are really bad at it.

Any concern for how much of the deck that 3 folks at the table can see? Knowing 2 other LHE hands is one thing, but knowing two other O/8 hands seems another.

Thank you BBB. How do you feel potential winrates compare between LO8 and LHE out of the rake trap (8/16+)? I have heard anything from O8 having significantly higher winrates with fewer swings to "lol flipping".

Fwiw, the evolution of 8/16+ O8 on Bovada seems to have been gradual over the last year. A stray 10/20 game here and there a year ago to fairly consistent action lately.

Also, this would definitely have worked if you had not called me out. All it takes is one livetard to read it and BOOM trolled! So fffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!!!!!!!

yes, and that's why i'm extra skeptical about the fr tables

I wasn't there. Heard about it the next day from a good source. Yeah jungleman lost a bunch and there was some discussion in NVG about it. He decided he should not pay Dwan $ when he feels Dwan owes him so much from the durrr challenge. The whole situation seems brutal and Dwan seems to bear most of the blame for being so difficult but what do I know.

I have played the 8/16 O8 a fair amount and haven't noticed anything egregious.
Have avoided the 30 for fear of collusion

Not that I have any inside info but by now it has to be blatantly obvious that Durrr is trying to welch out of the bet because he's realized he's a big dog in the challenge.

Either that or he can't afford to pay in case he loses badly so he's just stalling until he somehow gets robusto again.

Either way its a sad state of affairs for the former king of online poker.

I was thinking nice freeroll by jungle.

i don't have a big enough lifetime sample to say for sure. historically (and recently) i've had better winrates at holdem, and i also think that compared to my opponents that i'm better at holdem than i am at o8. so that makes those results make some sense to me (again, sample size). at the same time, the o8 games are "softer" insofar as having more fish per table than comparable lhe stakes, and it's also a split pot game, so i haven't been able to figure out exactly how those two variables fit in yet. o8 also has somewhat higher rake.

for someone who's really stellar at both games, i'm not sure, but my hunch is that the winrates would be roughly similar, with ring o8 having less variance than ring lhe. i've found hu (and to an extent 3h) o8 to actually be pretty high variance (would have to go into hem to look at the actual stdevs but the swings in big bets per session seem almost comparable to lhe) compared to what people would expect.

probably a good way to compare expert winrates would be to talk to someone who is an o8 expert with a big sample on there, and see what his winrate is, and then compare it to your lhe winrate for example. and then you guys could discuss roughly what you think expected winrates are in your respective games and etc

there might be some info in the 2p2 o8 forum (though i wouldn't count on it) and/or there are a couple o8 experts i could think of to contact