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Old 01-27-2012, 10:46 AM   #1
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2/4$ JTs: total misplayed?

UTG: 16$ left
SB: 4,50$left


both player are totally fishy. loose passiv

What is if both player have 24bb left instead of the real situation? Is it a raise for you guys? Against the SB we do have an easy equity edge. We an expect a 80% range w/o and removing the best 15. Against the open limper we also have a close one. Mr. UTG_Caller_hobbbyplayer has got the following statistics 49/8/6.9/0.8.

First Situation with 24bb. We can expect a little bit foldequity on the turn. We are not happy to play OOP and thats why our outplayskills are limited. Is it better to what for the flop to play our more clear equity? Should we raise preflop?



Second "real" Situation which happend. Both players are really short.
We cannot expect very much foldequity on the flop. I think it should me more profitable to play the flop instead of raising the close equity edge preflop.



Well now I raised preflop. On the flop I was unable to cope with the almost all in guy. check/fold better?


What do you think about the two a little bit different situations?










Preflop: Hero is BB with J T
UTG calls, 3 folds, SB completes, Hero raises, UTG calls, SB calls

Flop: (6 SB) Q 7 2 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, SB calls and is all-in

Turn: (4.5 BB) 8 (3 players, 1 is all-in)
Hero checks, UTG checks

River: (4.5 BB) Q (3 players, 1 is all-in)
Hero checks, UTG checks
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Old 01-28-2012, 05:43 AM   #2
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Re: 2/4$ JTs: total misplayed?

i play the same in both situations. short/deep

i like my equity edge preflop so i just raise. sb has a super wide range so we are atleast ahead of him making our raise profitable at a glance.

postflop i will cbet my entire range to try and get 2 folds regardless of stack size.

on the turn i will check short/deep because in the short instance i am playing for a protected pot a'la the all'in. in a deep situation i would give up because i was called in 2 spots with black jack hi and my equity is definitely not 33% there for the main or 50% to want to get called for a side pot.

river would take from the turn reasoning.
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Old 02-01-2012, 04:28 PM   #3
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Re: 2/4$ JTs: total misplayed?

I wouldn't cbet the flop. You will never get the small blind to fold and your hand is an underdog in this spot.
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