it's on the sidebar. i believe we are a welcoming place, against bigotry. i don't know how to properly articulate my feelings on this at the moment. however, if this forum grows we can certainly revisit this conversation later.

Whining of the republican politards is more accurate

Well then we can look to Chiefsplanet.com for a clear example of the kind of tolerance you're talkng about: http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=274151

BTW ninja equals N-word. It's pretty interesting to see all that racism that just bubbling under the surface, waiting for an emotional trigger to set it off. But does anyone really learn anything or grow from it? I'm not so sure.

And this isn't even the DC forum, which has the worst offenders. My guess is most of these guys would look like normal dudes, not stormfront scary. Maybe after they get to know you send out a racist feeler to see if you were one of them. Then the jokes start in earnest.

Haha, I assume you're the guy in that thread staying for the thinly veiled racism?

"Black people can say it, why can't I?!?!"

Mat - there is no way to respectfully be a bigot. Bigots are not people who hold negative views towards a particular group of people but are like "man, maybe I'm wrong about this, I'm totally willing to debate these ideas in an intelligent manner with other people." Just look at Neil S and his crying about how PERSECUTED he feels and how much gay marriage advocates demand on SHOVING THEIR MARRIAGES IN HIS FACE and then disappearing from the thread when challenged on that statement.

I think someone else on politics or 2p2 somewhere mentioned chiefsplanet as a hotbed of derpish racism. Good to see they are living up to their rep, makes me appreciate this place a bit more.

It was always suzzer.

Gotta nip that **** in the bud. Let it get roots and soon it festers into full on, unfettered racism spew.

Agreed. It seems 'no tolerance' rules are quite effective at scaring away all but the most sly and cryptic bigots. They flock to poorly moderated places OTOH.

Lol at this place ever being anything but the Politics basement. It's here for the bad posters thread and the rest of the threads are just flotsam.

A) I already coined it as the Batcave.

B) Lol at you for being a stick in the mud. Now that it's on the sidebar it's reasonable to assume that PU will get more action. It's as if you want it to be dead in here.

C) You're a clown.

the sidebar brought me here, clearly a success of the policy imo.

Honestly I like it in here much more than the standard politics forum. For me personally, I always felt if I resorted to the tactics that were used against me in Politics, then I would be infracted. Not to say I haven't been on the wrong side of this a few times (and never even warned AFAIK).

I'm really not trying to diss the way anyone that mods/modded PF (similar to what Mat was saying earlier ITT), but it was mega lame to have one's views ultra-mega-strawmanned. If the 'opposing viewpoints' used the same tactics that were used by the mainstream views, I am quite sure they would be disciplined in PF. I felt as thought one side of the argument had pretty much free reign to say whatever crap they wanted to while the other plead with one hand behind their back.

ITF however, the worst offenders get a taste of their own medicine. (Hai riverman) You immediately slippery slope other's views into child molestation and slavery? You will be dealt with in kind. I'm not saying there were not a few baddies on all sides, but when the mainstream view doesn't even have have to start to consider the opposing viewpoint then things go downhill quickly and what is the point.

Re: 'blatant racism' on a case my case basis anyone exhibiting this kind of behavior should be banned jmo. For the most part I think 2p2 mods are adult enough to tell the difference between bigoted viewpoints and ones that are someone's sincere, non-bigoted adult opinion. Personally I don't see any reason to draw a line any specific place except to say we 'know it when we see it.' I really doubt anyone is going to pledge allegiance to the kkknazi flag ITF anyway. I am sure they would be dealt with handily by the regulars (before they got banned by the little moderation that does exist ITF).

This is interesting. I was always under the impression that the anti-bigotry moderation was supposedly a reflection of the admins' preferences, but it seems it isn't.

Just a guess, but it probably reflects the uses preference of torches and pitchforks

I think a SE-style sticky that allows discussion of forum moderation and details each banning and temp-banning would be the best way to improve the politics forum. I suspect that the moderators are too clannishly secretive and thin-skinned to allow this though.

Given the number of ATF threads and the past 'rules discussion thread' it is unlikely to be productive imo. Go read through the old politics discussion thread, it was a trainwreck that added more moderation problems. Any time a reg got pissed about what another reg said (daily occurrence) it immediately was brought to the discussion thread which meant more arguments, not less..

Personally, I wouldn't mind the ban thread being resurrected. Always seem to miss the posts that get people temp-banned.

Silly to allow people bring disputes/grievances to it, though, there's already measures in place for that. Allowing them to bitch about it in a sticky more or less says "Anything you don't like, come in here and moan about it." And inevitably people will, no matter how trivial it is or how wrong they are. Politics already filters for people who like to argue about stuff, right?

But yeah, a bans list (with summarised reasons) would be great.

there sorta is/was a ban list. it just hasn't been updated in ages and is kinda pointless at this point.

Mat I like your style. You seem like a genuinely open minded person. I think another point to make is that a lot of the controversial bans in regular politics forum were not really about bigotry, but more about the mods leaning a particular way politically and finding creative ways to ban those who disagree with their political views. I think Mat (and others) kind of realize there was a double standard and this a fairly reasonable way to handle that dilemma.

how many regulars do you think would probably be perma-banned if they got infracted for all their personal attacks, nothing else?

fly, ikes, lirva, riverman, phill, neblis, dbj, deuces, who else? I know there's gotta be more. But seriously, looking at this list, do you really think "all liberal posters" or "all conservative posters"?

Cuz if you do, you're pretty dumb.

Ork,

A) It's the basement, bro.

B) I don't want it to be dead in here, but the raison d'etre for this place is so posters can call each other poopyheads to one's face. Lol at it growing into smething else.

C) I drive a Mini.

I'm not saying that everyone who got banned was either liberal or conservative. People got banned from all walks of political life if they committed banworthy infractions, like personal attacks etc.

I'm pointing out that certain mods....no need naming names...had repeated issues of laying down the ban hammer for things that were not ban worthy on their face, but merely opposed the mods personal political views...and were accusing people of things like 'trolling' when the poster wasn't trolling, but just expressing an unpopular political view.

Go on...

I think I got banned for a day once. It was for "trolling" when I wasn't trolling, because Wookie has no idea what trolling is.

i guess if one's definition of trolling is "not something I ever do," then I understand how they could feel like they're in the right no matter what