Actually maybe I'm being hard on Trump, he does appear to be trying to subtly nudge Xi repeatedly over Twitter into doing something so we don't have to. Seems like a failed strat given current events, tho.

6 months ago he wasn't president.

He was getting intelligence briefings and became president two weeks later, and has promptly done ~nothing on the subject of North Korea since that day, exactly like you attack Obama for.

And today, well, here we are: a place he told us we wouldn't be, when he had plenty of time to stop it still. Thanks, Trump.

How do you think he should have stopped it? Given that he has only had less than 6 months and Obama had 8 years.

I don't know. But then again, I'm not the one who told the country 6 months ago (while receiving enough intelligence to know whether it was feasible to stop, and two weeks before I took the office that would enable me to stop it) that this wasn't going to happen, Donald Trump is. And he failed, bigly! Sad!

I can't speak for goofy, but I think part of the point he might be trying to make is that this same question may be asked of those complaining about Obama's policy. It's not really obvious what the correct answer should be.

Lol goofys performance itt thread is hilarious.

That works too.

Obama: no great options, does nothing
Trumpkins: wow, feckless leader!
Trump, January 2017: this won't happen on my watch!
July 2017: oops, totally happens
Trumpkins: well what SHOULD Trump have done, huh? HUH?

When unable to actually point out any flaws, sure, just blindly assert things!

(pro tip, btw: "itt thread" is redundant)

Precisely because of Obama's inaction and previous admins though, we are at a point where the can can't be kicked down the road anymore. There's no more road.

Trump has to do something about it. He doesn't have a choice.

Well, what should Obama have done, and why is it the case that Trump can no longer do it, given that he hasn't done it yet?

Put a lot more pressure on countries funding North Korea. Iran for example is a big backer of NK, helping them with their missile development. Obama gave Iran a huge wad of money, some of which has probably gone to help NK.

Knowing what we know now, do you not question the strategy used thus far? The situation is ridiculously worse than it was 6 years ago. Should we just sit back and keep saying "what could we have done?"

We could have forced the issue. We didn't. Now here we are. Should we continue to do nothing until they have 500 ICBMs that can hit the entire mainland, while the entire time saying "what could we have done?"

For those of us who don't have a good grasp on world politics, can someone diagram the axis and allies of WWIII? Who's side would China be on? Russia? Afghanistan? Etc.

China is in a very bad position. They csn not risk a war with the United States no matter what. They also do not want a unified democratic Korea that is allied with the United States on their border. It is to China's advantage to have a buffer country between them and a US Ally (South Korea). It is in China's best interest to shut NK's weapons program down, unless they really can't do it without a war between them. If the US attacks, China will most likely not intervene. I think.

Russia will do nothing, it is to their advantage to have conflict between their two rivals (China and the US).

No one else in the world will do a damn thing. South Korea and Japan will both assist fully, as it is in their best interest. SK will do everything they can to minimize casualties but they will execute all of the North's leaders.

Reunification is a goal of the south. There is no WW3 because no one else will get involved directly.

Another thought : if the US truly does nothing, it provides a strategy for other countries to follow, and that's develop a nuke program until the US has to come to the table.

I'm sure the Iranians are quite interested in what happens. If war breaks out I think Iran acts right for the foreseeable future.

Strategically there is a lot at stake here. It's not just a fight, it's sending a message of what we are willing to risk to the rest of the world. The US hasn't backed down since WW2. We also haven't won 4/5 conflicts since then.

Korea
Vietnam
Iraq 2
Afghanistan

All losses or meh. (I'm unsure how to categorize Afghanistan). The only win was Iraq 1.

Nothing that I know now seems very different from what I knew 2 years ago. As I said before, the correct approach to N.K. seems difficult to me to ascertain. I linked an article that discussed four options. It's not clear to me why it would have been any easier for Obama to pick between them at any point in the last eight years than it is for Trump to pick between them now. But, I am willing to concede that I am not an expert on this topic. I'm open to arguments. So far I haven't really seen any.

Your first point is wrong.

Of course I can see the danger, but your fear-based thinking is so emotionally-driven you can't see the bigger picture.

If North Korea gets the capability to nuke US cities, tell us what you think they would gain from such an initial strike.

What a ****ing idiot. You truly are one of the dumbest ****ing morons I've ever come across in my entire life.

And this, my friends, are why so many liberal Europeans are weak and stupid. This is how wars start and millions of people get killed.

Why would Hitler start a war? Why would Germany attack Russia? What would they have gained?

****ing moron. Allowing an unstable country with an unstable leader to have worldwide nuclear capability is a great idea.

Just shut your stupid ass mouth, jalfrezi.

Nope, child-punching boot-licking servile imbecile.

wil318466 believes that North Korea wants to rule the world.


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Thank God weak ass people like you don't make decisions. The only thing we have to do is listen to your idiocy on internet forums. In the real world you'd be laughed at.

On the contrary. Over a succession of Friday nights out I've persuaded two colleagues to change their voting patterns.

People like you, however, are the best argument for the Democrats anyone can make.

Lol. People have switched sides in droves. Areas that have been solidly Democrat for almost 2 decades flipped.

You speak only speak idiocy. When is the last time you've made a post that was based in reality?

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Trump was the best thing for Hillary, too.

A shame that didn't work out. You people have been wrong about everything for years. Now it is coming full circle. Enjoy.

Trupkins/Repubs live in a constant state of fear and have done since the days of Reds under the bed. It's a weak and pathetic mentality that sees threats everywhere.

Instead of understanding North Korea as a paranoid, insecure nation (not dissimilar in that regard to your own), determined to defend itself against possible Western aggression by getting nukes, you've demonised them ("The Axis Of Evil") and helped fuel their paranoia. Well done sucker.