Unfortunately, this wasn't the only disaster he helped to create...Iran, Syria, ISIS, Russa, Cuba, Obama Care...etc. etc.

...and yet it happened

We've had multiple adminstrations pass on dealing with this eventuality. This is a prime example of why you don't kick the ****ing can down the road.

We have no good options here. This won't end well.

That is a pretty stupid statement on many levels. First you are not too worried if your country gets nuked in a part where you don't live? You must be a terrible citizen or one callous bastard. Second if you think if the nukes start flying it will be contained to just a few parts of the world? A wider more deadly conflict could easily start under those circumstances.

Here's the guy that wil is glad is currently leading the country



whoops...

keep sucking that elephant cock

Would you like to place a wager that this north Korea situation is dealt with within a certain time frame?

Yes, I'm absolutely glad Trump is in office to deal with this. There's no way Kim's regime stays in power its current state, with nuclear capability. Let me know terms and let's put money on it.

Doesn't have to be much, and we need an agreed judge. Escrow required.

Escrow definitely required with any wager involving leftists.

Unfortunately this is true. I'd like to say I'd trust people but after the jalfezi incident I've realized leftists are PROUD to be angle shooting scum.

I honestly wouldn't have done what he did for 100x that.

And don't forget aofrantic.

I just had a leftist propose a wager with me in ATF. When I suggested raising the stakes he did the biggest back-pedal I've seen for a long time.

LOL that your instant reaction to Daddy Trump saying something six months ago that quickly proved wrong is to puff out your chest and be like "WANNA BET? WANNA BET?" on something totally unrelated, like he needs you to win his honor back

I really don't think this situation is much to joke over. We are absolutely on a course for conflict, and if the North decides to actually "go for it", an extremely high amount of causalities will occur.

And, I never believed for a second you'd have entered a bet. We are all aware something drastic is coming. On top of that it sends a message to Iran.

Prepare.

In what kind of timeframe do you think it will be resolved? Let's say that "resolved" means the KJ dynasty is out of power. Depending on how soon you think this will all be over (by the end of the year? after all, Trump did say he wouldn't let NK get a nuke capable of hitting us, must be showtime now!) I could be willing to put down something dumb like $50 or $100 to winner's charity of choice.

Kim's regime is out of power (invasion or his death, whatever the cause), or a capitulation of his weapons program (a regression from its current status as of today).

Mind you, the methods are not up for interpretation, only the results.

If we invade and topple his government, I win.
If China puts pressure on him and he stops with the weapons program, I win.
If he gets uranium poisoning, I win.
If Dennis Rodman chokes him to death, I win.

12 months, 100 dollar bet. Quote to book.

I think methods are important given your posts like this, though:

Given your predictions of massive violence, I don't really think you should win if parties winding up sitting at a negotiating table and something like the Iran deal (your side haaaaates that, remember?) comes out.

Fair enough, if the US government sits down and negotiates and there is no violence, you win.

Ok, so, sorry to be nitty, but we should make sure details like this are clear before making a bet rather than after something happens and we discover the terms were ambiguous:

- US government specifically? Diplomatic solutions could (would?) still go through China even if it's us having backchannel negotiations w/ China or something - there has to be war (or assassination or something) for you to win, right?
- if KJ drops dead of a heart attack but his regime is still in power (i.e. his handpicked #2 replaces him, there's not actually regime change, nuclear program still in place), who wins? KJ dying (whether naturally or via assassination) just to be replaced by someone that keeps up business as usual and doesn't dismantle the nuclear program seems like a fail for Team Trump.

Basically:
- If NK is attacked/invaded and coerced militarily into ending nuclear program and/or ousting KJ within 12 months, you win
- If KJ (and specifically his regime) voluntarily gives up nuclear program via diplomacy, I win
- If someone else becomes leader in NK (coup, death, whatever) and voluntarily gives up nuclear program via diplomacy, you win (credit goes to CIA for that I imagine)
- any other results after 12 months (NK still a nuclear state), I win

Good? $100 Payable to winner of charity's choice, no escrow needed?

Slight issue here. I'm saying the US will absolutely not capitulate in public. They will not be forced to the bargaining table and give in to NK demands. If that happens, you win.

If Kim dies under any circumstances, I win. I say that because I would view that as an assassination.

Basically if nothing changes, you win, and if the US bargains openly, you win. 12 months from today. If acceptable, let me know.

"Openly" means the US government will admit publicly they capitulated. Also, for example, if the US sends a missle strike on NK and they suspend their weapons program, I win immediately. If China bullies NK, I win.

That's really ambiguous. Conservatives universally think the Iran deal was "capitulation" even though the deal was, like many deals, us getting something we wanted in exchange for Iran getting something they wanted. I wouldn't call a deal like that capitulation and I bet you would pretty quickly also not call it capitulation if it was the difference between you losing this bet or not.

And furthermore, if you got "China gets NK to step down diplomatically" in your column then I don't even have much of an interest in taking this bet, as I think that's quite a likely way this gets resolved! I'm only interested because you have such a hard-on for what you've called an imminent war, and that's what I don't think is going to happen.

If I get diplomatic resolutions (whether the US is publicly at the table or not) then I'm fine with you getting KJ dying for any reason. Hopefully actuarial tables aren't too pessimistic on a 33 year old overweight dude.

There is a cost to an actual war that our government may think is worth paying over attacking. Without a doubt they are considering attacking.

The problem is striking first would make us look very bad. It would also make the Chinese nervous, which we do not want. The diplomatic solution would be to put so much pressure economically on the Chinese to handle this for us that they would view NK less valuable than trade with the US and force NK to change course.

I agree that we could have issues on what is viewed as capitulation. If you have further suggestions, I'm open to it. In the end, I'm betting something changes very soon and that doing nothing will not happen.

Sure, certainly they're considering it and your side has equity. It's fine if you don't want to bet, the reason I would have wanted to comes back to this post:

China pressuring NK to back down really isn't some big drastic thing (and certainly says nothing to Iran), it's just politics. If that's what you're calling a victory for your side, I really don't disagree and there's nothing for us to bet on.

Oh, I want to bet. I just think it's very possible that the US government wants to avoid conflict enough to risk an all-out economic tactic to pressure China to handle this for us. I actually do believe that if China doesn't do something, or if they don't try a decapitation tactic, war is inevitable. The current situation is unacceptable, and if the NK government fuels up an ICBM and we don't know what's on it, we will neutralize it.

There are no good options here, but I am willing to bet "do nothing" is not something the Trump administration is going to do.

"Do nothing" was Obama's strategy. Look where that got us.

It's also Trump's strategy, and he got us to a place that 6 months ago he told us we wouldn't get to!