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Why are people not more alarmed from the threat of N.Korea Why are people not more alarmed from the threat of N.Korea

07-11-2017 , 02:18 AM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
You can only prove that I'm of the opinion that Castro brought improvements to the lives of the majority of Cubans following the revolution.

I, however, can prove that you support the Swedish neo-Nazi party.

You're too ignorant to play these games very well.
Oh lol that's where he was going with this? Poor dumb Mourn.
07-11-2017 , 02:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Lord_Crispen
To be fair, if NK was a muslim country, I'm sure TS be all-in.
That's beyond NK. He's talking about the hypothetical judeo-christian war of the west versus the others.
07-11-2017 , 02:25 AM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
Reminder that this is the guy (jalfrezi) that spat the dummy big time, when someone edited his name to aljazeera.
Instead of searching this out myself, can you do me a solid and just tell me the specific ways you're lying in this post.
07-11-2017 , 02:27 AM
Yeah that post was Stephen Millerish.
07-11-2017 , 02:38 AM
Millertastic
07-11-2017 , 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by 5ive
At his point I just have to relinquish my championship belt for changing poster's screennames.
I can also offer a BroadwaySoSyht and a Morondog, if you like.
07-11-2017 , 06:08 PM
BroadwaySoShyt.
07-11-2017 , 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
In 1945, Truman didn't strictly know what the weapons would do. Oppenheimer told him that each bomb might kill just 10,000. And the Allies had been conducting unrestricted air warfare on a colossal scale for years. The March fire-raid on Tokyo probably killed more people than either of the atomic bombs, certainly more than Nagasaki. And there was the prospect of the war dragging on into 1946, with a full-scale invasion of Japan, at the cost of untold Allied and enemy lives. Hence the decision.
Well, you're clearly more studied than I am or most people about this, so when it comes to actual facts, I'll defer to you.

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But for the US, nowadays, to start a war, simply in pursuit of a policy, and chuck nuclear weapons around as a mere expedient... it would probably finish the US as a world power. The country would become a pariah, and China would pull the plug on the US economy any way they could.
That's what I don't get... Why isn't it in EVERY country's best interest to prevent NK from becoming fully nuclear capable? Why is it just the US (and SK obviously). It doesn't appear to be a matter of "policy" to me, but more of a matter of the preservation of human civilization. This guy is a madman nutcase, but I'll come to back to that...

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Kim can't actually use nuclear weapons for fear of nuclear retaliation.
He seems to have zero fear of provoking nuclear capable countries now. Perhaps because he knows we/no one will use them?

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He's probably not so mad that he would do that.
Probably? If you were putting me at ease before, this brings me right back to where I was. Probably isn't good enough. We know MAD works with Russia (or at least it has so far). We do NOT know this about NK! He's a nutbox. I've seen videos where their schools teach kids at an early age that he's more divine than Jesus Christ.

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Even 'crazy' dictators still act out of rational self-interest. They don't mind other people getting killed in wars, but the trouble with nuclear weapons is they can destroy the dictator's stuff. His palaces and... stuff. And his reign might end.
Yeah, that could be the case and I hope it is. Maybe he'll be more like China. I just don't want to place civilization's fate in it. There's a reason he's so gun-ho on obtaining nukes.

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The more likely danger is that Kim would try to export nuclear technology -- North Korea doesn't have any high-value exports otherwise. But that will need to be monitored by intelligence and diplomacy and possibly a bit of 'hard power' at the right point at the right time. Although it would have helped if the US had managed to stop the Pakistanis giving Kim nuclear technology in the first place.
Exporting technology isn't good either. I just think the whole situation is more dangerous than you and others, I guess. I'm not a tough guy. I'm a coward man. If I know you wanna kill me then I'm gonna try and kill you first before you have the chance.

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The vulnerability of Seoul is one of the main problems in dealing with North Korea.
Like I said, I put zero thought into Seoul. Maybe that ends my argument right there. But I still don't understand why the rest of the world isn't just as concerned as the United States about him becoming fully nuclear capable.
07-11-2017 , 10:18 PM
The rest of the world has been too liberal up to this point. I keep saying it but how many people have died because of the wimpy liberals. If it was a world of just conservatives this would have been taken care of in his grand pappy's day.

He is no more crazy than the rest of his family was. What makes him scary is that his people will only tell him what he wants to here.
07-12-2017 , 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
I can also offer a BroadwaySoSyht and a Morondog, if you like.
Nah, I'm sticking with 'monistat'. This old dog still has some tricks.
07-12-2017 , 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
The rest of the world has been too liberal up to this point. I keep saying it but how many people have died because of the wimpy liberals. If it was a world of just conservatives this would have been taken care of in his grand pappy's day.
You appear never to have heard of noted conservatives Dwight D Eisenhower and Douglas MacArthur, which is weird. Eisenhower did threaten China with nuclear attack if they didn't dial down their support for North Korea, but he still couldn't get rid of the Kim dynasty just like that.
07-12-2017 , 05:48 PM
Interesting developments...


http://www.businessinsider.com/why-u...-july-4-2017-7

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When North Korea launched its first intercontinental ballistic missile in the early-morning hours of July 4, US military and intelligence personnel watched for a full 70 minutes, a source told The Diplomat's Ankit Panda.

During that time, North Korean leader Kim Jong Un smoked cigarettes and strolled around the launchpad under the US's gaze.

The US knew North Korea was in the final stages of building an ICBM after a recent rocket-engine test. The US knew North Korea liked to test missiles on the American Independence Day to send a message. The US knew this missile was different from any it had seen before, and the US knew it could destroy it with a variety of precision-fire platforms in the region. Importantly, the US also had Kim in its crosshairs for over an hour — and did nothing.

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The decision fit with Secretary of State Rex Tillerson's statement that the US wanted "to bring Kim Jong Un to his senses, not his knees" and that regime change was not the US's ultimate goal.
The US is saying, "Hey chubby, we're not trying to kill you. So knock it off..."

I wonder if the US is going to demonstrate a satellite based mega-Watt scale precision laser weapon system soon. Be great to raise the temperature of the liquid fuel rocket to about 5000degC right as KJU walks by and lights up a Marlboro.
07-12-2017 , 06:55 PM
Aljalfrezi or Jalfrenazi?
07-12-2017 , 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
Nah most in this thread I'd guess agree with him and think a premptive nuke is a bad idea.

Any use of nukes is an absolutely horrible idea. Wind and fallout do not respect borders, and any use of nukes risks use of nukes in retaliation. We're destroying the earth enough without nuclear exchanges, we don't need to be engaging in that.
07-13-2017 , 02:43 AM
Its not even an option with the pentagon from my understanding. The artillery is to close to the border to use nukes on tactical or not. So it would go like this is we did. We would pick a place not to close to China or SK and hit them. They would unleash the massive amount of unaffected artillery they have killing over a million in Seoul. If we get lucky, since its no sure thing, they have not found a way to hit SK or Japan with a nuke or two.

It just make no sense strategically. If we did attack them it would be with conventional weapons aimed at taking as much of the artillery and nuke sites out as we could. Our nukes dont really help with that.

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07-13-2017 , 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
You appear never to have heard of noted conservatives Dwight D Eisenhower and Douglas MacArthur, which is weird. Eisenhower did threaten China with nuclear attack if they didn't dial down their support for North Korea, but he still couldn't get rid of the Kim dynasty just like that.
Sorry, I have not.
07-14-2017 , 12:08 AM
I agree nukes would be bad. However, if it did come to that, I'd say suprise attack Iran first with nukes. This would take care of a lot of our problems around the world. Than we could see how KJU responds. I'm pretty sure he would give it up.

Killing two birds with one stone.

The problem is that there are a lot of good people in Iran who have American values. Therefore, I totally disagree with the plan above.
07-14-2017 , 01:33 AM
Which one of you won that argument?
07-14-2017 , 01:36 AM
The sane one.
07-14-2017 , 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
I agree nukes would be bad. However, if it did come to that, I'd say suprise attack Iran first with nukes. This would take care of a lot of our problems around the world. Than we could see how KJU responds. I'm pretty sure he would give it up.

Killing two birds with one stone.

The problem is that there are a lot of good people in Iran who have American values. Therefore, I totally disagree with the plan above.

What's with the Iran stuff? Wouldn't it be better for us to invade Saudi Arabia? After all, they are the country behind 9/11, and the largest funder of terrorism.
07-14-2017 , 02:24 AM
To be fair the country we helped Kuwait contributes a lot to ISIS too. Or at min some of their people fund it.
07-14-2017 , 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by AllCowsEatGrass
What's with the Iran stuff? Wouldn't it be better for us to invade Saudi Arabia? After all, they are the country behind 9/11, and the largest funder of terrorism.
They would get some of the fall out.

Iran has its hands in a lot more areas that negatively affect the US. They have also directly threatened Israel. They also have a stronger military.
07-14-2017 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by AllCowsEatGrass
What's with the Iran stuff? Wouldn't it be better for us to invade Saudi Arabia?
And which neighbouring Arab country do you think would give you basing rights to do that? (God, Americans are funny.)
07-14-2017 , 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
Which one of you won that argument?
Well, I think mongidig, by admitting he'd never heard of Eisenhower or MacArthur, sort of lost. Permanently.
07-23-2017 , 08:27 AM
People are not alarmed because the American people are generally ignorant, misinformed, or just dont really care about anything that doesnt affect them on a day to day basis.

      
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