I made no comparison, let alone that of a country, germany, to a set of laws.

I was providing an example of how a new regime of laws can very quickly and dramatically change a country. Your assuming this Shiria Law makeover will not change things. Common sense and history suggest potential for the opposite extreme.

no clue why you people are engaging someone who heartily endorses child rape

Thefetus345 (c. 1995): "What you may not be aware of is that I have had respect for Afghanistan for quite some time, just as some folks are interested in countries like France, Italy, Canada, etc. Afghanistan happens to be a country that stands out to me, its citizens are great, hospitable people. During the 60s, when the US was fighting Vietnam, Afghanistan was busy enjoying a Duke Ellington concert.

Nothing to worry about from The Taliban guys"

I didnt say you made a such comparison. But I did note you brought up Germany, so I brought up the comparison just for the sake of it.



My general view is that Brunei does not = 1990s Afghanistan

If I'm wrong and the Brunei gov does actually cut off arms for stealing fruit, or carry out a death sentence for adultery, (which are actions that should be condemned) I will self ban myself.

Im sure the person executed before the laws "should" be protested will be super appreciative of the self-ban.

Why are you so confident that sweeping, explicit legal changes will not be enforced? You BFFs with the sultan and know he's angle shooting or has something hidden under the hood???

Of course your talking about my view that Muhammad was not a rapist. As opposed to ones view that modern day child rapists are ok.

Who knows, Maybe you also also think Jews are followers of a false, nasty religion.

Nonsense,

of course it doesn't surprise me that you will fly with that filth viewpoint.

this

and...

If the laws are not to be endorsed, why do you think they're making the changes and announcing it to the world? An inside joke?

Yes, I agree its a filthy viewpoint that people should wait until someone is actually executed to protest a law that says adulterers and homosexuals can be executed.

Not sure why you were arguing otherwise, but glad you've come around.

The whole stoning and amputation thing is blown way out of proportion by some folks. Iran is the only gov in the world which (allegedly) digs holes and puts humans in them to stone them.

Also, how is this any different from solitary confinement for a prisoner(in the USA) who is serving time for a crime he did not commit. Its true that the USA doesn't have amputation for theft laws on the book. What we do have is one of the worst Prison systems in the world, and innocent folks can and have been convicted.

I think most people on this forum will admit that there's a whole lot of horrible stuff wrong with the US prison system. But the US system is really completely irrelevent to Brunei and this thread.

So again- Why is the government making law that says they will stone people for certain crimes and announcing it to the world if they have no intent to do it?

I feel its not, the Beverly Hill protesters are from the USA after all.

How can I know why the Sultan implemented the new system of Laws? What I can do is provide you some insight from Brunei,


[B]http://www.bt.com.bn/frontpage-news-...nd-islam-mufti

http://www.bt.com.bn/supp/islamia/in...c-criminal-law

Here, we can take a look at how the courts of Brunei work,

http://www.bt.com.bn/news-national/2...-proper-charge

TWO Malaysian nationals accused of drug trafficking were discharged yesterday when the Magistrates’ Court ruled that continued remand of an accused without a proper charge is “an abuse of process”.



The discharge did not amount to acquittal.

Malaysian nationals Durahim Osman, 54, and Norainie Ismail, 40, were arrested on December 10, 2013, and has been in remand ever since...They were charged with possession of 3.9kg of the Class A drug for the purpose of trafficking on December 10 in the vicinity of a chicken rice restaurant at Jalan McArthur in the capital. Possession of more than 50gm of the drug, locally known a syabu, carries the death penalty.


So these folks were allegedly found with a drug similar to crystal meth, and were arrested and jailed. But, they have recently been discharged from Jail as(according to the courts of Brunei) remand of an accused without a proper charge is “an abuse of process”.

...

“With due respect to the prosecution’s exercise of discretion to charge without first obtaining an analyst report of the exhibit in question, although this may be the current practice, I find that it is high time such practice be scrutinised so that reasons advanced and justified by the prosecution do not effectively result in an abuse of process,” said the senior magistrate.

http://www.bt.com.bn/news-national/2...-proper-charge

There is more going on wrt these court cases in Brunei then folks would imagine.

So we're back to someone needing to be the sacrificially executed. Cool story thekid

completely irrelevent. Unless you're suggesting that its improper to protest atrocities anywhere in the world unless the country you live in is perfect. Either the protestors are protesting something that is wrong or they are not. The fact that the US has problems does not not bar everyone in the US from speaking out against wrongs elsewhere in the world.

Note: I haven't read your links yet as I think you're still avoiding providing any answers to what's been asked.

You don't know why he implemented it. But certainly you aren't suggesting its arbitrary, right? Surely he didn't announce to the world these new laws with no actual intent of them being followed, right?

Why don't you just guess. you seem perfectly willing to defend Brunei on nothing but speculation so please continue in that vein - why would he announce to the world that he's instituting a barbaric new law if he has no intention of carrying it out?

Other then the fact that I take it that you are Muslim, your entire motivation for this whole thread is odd unless you actually think there's no problem with the laws.

He claims to be Christian, which makes it harder to guess where he is getting brainwashed with this nonsense.

but then, organized religion is entirely brainwashing...

I agree, organized religion poisons many peoples minds. I am sure thekid will find this statement offensive and/or bigoted. Then, like a broken record, he will complain about racism not being allowed but criticism of the teachings of the prophet Mohammed being allowed on these forums.

FWIW: in another life in the 1990's I was on the ramp when the them Sultan of Brunei has his G-IV there. The engineers from Airshow were trying to find a fix for the Airshow picking the polar route to point to Mecca (The Sultan knew it wasn't north)

Before the plane left they loaded about 200 cases of beer on it. Milwaukee's Best.

I think there is a ton wrong with our justice system, but no justice system in the history of ****ing forever has ever had a 100% success rate of ONLY convicting the guilty. Mistakes do happen regardless of how ****ty that is.

What a line to take man. Instead of a actually providing a worthwhile point, you essentially said that anything other than 100% accuracy (in a system where a jury of peers decide fate no less) is unacceptable and makes you and every point you ha have made look entirely idiotic.

Hey kid, can you clarify something for me? I hate the (insert) religion and everything it stands for. Does that make me an islamaphobe?

That sounds like hate speech. Is it provoked by the irrational fear of Islam? Or is it just a dumb generalization to express hate at practices such as stoning or viewpoints of inequity such as authoritarian theocratic supremacy?

Oh yeah and stop it now. If you can't "discuss" without evoking hate speech don't post.

I was making a point, because I also hate christianity, judaism, etc and everything they stand for. I am not fearful of them, but think the world would be better off without. Therefore I contend I can't be an islamaphobe, and am curious where the kid stands on it