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01-10-2017 , 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Marn
In Swedish I could give it to you right now, lets see if I can find something in English.
Any translation you're happy with will do.
01-10-2017 , 06:31 PM
This is an article about how the Swedish Social Democrat leftist youth movement sponsored by state money organizes political events where only people of color are welcome.
Can't find anything in English so far.

http://www.gp.se/nyheter/debatt/rasi...ring-1.3770432

Google translate: actually surprisingly readable.
https://translate.google.com/transla...ring-1.3770432

Also our growing antisemitism is largely ignored or supported by our far left.(also a far right problem, but not in the same scale).

Wikipedia:

"After Germany and Austria, Sweden has the third highest rate of antisemitic incidents in Europe, although the Netherlands reports a higher rate of antisemitism in some years.[8] A government study in 2006 estimated that 15% of Swedes agree with the statement: "The Jews have too much influence in the world today".[9] 5% of the total adult population and 39% of adult Muslims "harbour systematic antisemitic views".[9] The former prime minister Göran Persson described these results as "surprising and terrifying". However, the rabbi of Stockholm's Orthodox Jewish community, Meir Horden, said that "It's not true to say that the Swedes are anti-Semitic. Some of them are hostile to Israel because they support the weak side, which they perceive the Palestinians to be."[10]

In 2010, alleged antisemitism among Muslims in Malmö received media attention after a controversial interview with the then city's mayor, Ilmar Reepalu. In March the same year, Fredrik Sieradzk of the Jewish community of Malmö told Die Presse, an Austrian newspaper, that Jews are being "harassed and physically attacked" by "people from the Middle East," although he added that only a small number of Malmö's 90,000 Muslims "exhibit hatred of Jews."[11]

The population of Malmö began to decrease in the 1970s due to decline of the once-dominant shipbuilding and textile industries. This also led to a decrease in the Jewish population. Sieradzk has stated that approximately 30 Jewish families have emigrated from Malmö to Israel in the past year, specifically to escape from harassment estimating that the already small Jewish population is shrinking by 5% a year. “Malmö is a place to move away from, right now many Jews in Malmö are really concerned about the situation and don’t believe they have a future here” he said, citing antisemitism as the primary reason.[12]
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01-10-2017 , 06:44 PM
joke is obv
01-10-2017 , 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by well named
It doesn't seem to work with some people.
True. And the percentage of "some people" is hard to gauge.

I will comment on something else that is not related to what you posted, or not directly. Discussions/debate occur at a great variety of venues. It is a categorical error to equate bars, and other social gathering places, or your home as venues for the sole purpose of political discourse with say, an internet site with a specific political forum, that has whatever nominal posting rules they have, or none at all, etc. The latter has a very specific purpose with supposed freedom of expression, depending on the spectrum of rules the people/owners want; the former is an all together different type of venue(s) where a whole host of different activities are engaged in. And the main purpose is not one of political discourse/debate/discussion and exchange of different worldviews.
01-10-2017 , 09:18 PM
Tooth got the banhammer? And before he got the joke...
01-10-2017 , 10:39 PM
Forgot to grade this thread.

I give it an 88.
01-10-2017 , 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by 5ive
I dare you to do the math and see what you come up with.
You've got to press it on you
You just think it
That's what you do, baby
Hold it down, DARE
01-10-2017 , 11:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marn
This is an article about how the Swedish Social Democrat leftist youth movement sponsored by state money organizes political events where only people of color are welcome.
Can't find anything in English so far.

http://www.gp.se/nyheter/debatt/rasi...ring-1.3770432

Google translate: actually surprisingly readable.
https://translate.google.com/transla...ring-1.3770432

Also our growing antisemitism is largely ignored or supported by our far left.(also a far right problem, but not in the same scale).

Wikipedia:

"After Germany and Austria, Sweden has the third highest rate of antisemitic incidents in Europe, although the Netherlands reports a higher rate of antisemitism in some years.[8] A government study in 2006 estimated that 15% of Swedes agree with the statement: "The Jews have too much influence in the world today".[9] 5% of the total adult population and 39% of adult Muslims "harbour systematic antisemitic views".[9] The former prime minister Göran Persson described these results as "surprising and terrifying". However, the rabbi of Stockholm's Orthodox Jewish community, Meir Horden, said that "It's not true to say that the Swedes are anti-Semitic. Some of them are hostile to Israel because they support the weak side, which they perceive the Palestinians to be."[10]

In 2010, alleged antisemitism among Muslims in Malmö received media attention after a controversial interview with the then city's mayor, Ilmar Reepalu. In March the same year, Fredrik Sieradzk of the Jewish community of Malmö told Die Presse, an Austrian newspaper, that Jews are being "harassed and physically attacked" by "people from the Middle East," although he added that only a small number of Malmö's 90,000 Muslims "exhibit hatred of Jews."[11]

The population of Malmö began to decrease in the 1970s due to decline of the once-dominant shipbuilding and textile industries. This also led to a decrease in the Jewish population. Sieradzk has stated that approximately 30 Jewish families have emigrated from Malmö to Israel in the past year, specifically to escape from harassment estimating that the already small Jewish population is shrinking by 5% a year. “Malmö is a place to move away from, right now many Jews in Malmö are really concerned about the situation and don’t believe they have a future here” he said, citing antisemitism as the primary reason.[12]
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Nobody will touch this. Nice try though. This is the politics section where the left calls stuff and posters racist but they don't actually try to grasp reality, they fabricate it so they have people to hate and reasons to tell themselves they are morally superior. You cant criticize racist muslims, but its such open season on white guys that mtv can just roll out blatant racism and absolutely no fvcks are given

Im actually thinking about starting a thread on this topic but I'm pecking away at my ipad now. The left is so blindly race biased and race obsessed. By their own definition racist, but too blind and morally incompetent to realize it
01-11-2017 , 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Shadow throne
For example, is it fair to say that the western world has created a hugely disproportionate amount of the "progress" that we would all deem as a positive thing in the last 500 years or so? I think that is fair to say.
"Progress" checklist for the last 500 years (in no particular order):

1. The Holocaust.
2. Slavery.
3. Atomic weapons.
4. The McRib
5. Operation Condor.

Women's suffrage is good, though. Would look better without this other baggage
01-11-2017 , 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
"Progress" checklist for the last 500 years (in no particular order):

1. The Holocaust.
2. Slavery.
3. Atomic weapons.
4. The McRib
5. Operation Condor.

Women's suffrage is good, though. Would look better without this other baggage
You do realize you're adding to the stereotype of the progressive self-hating westerner, right? If you actually want to argue that Western values and Western civilization is just ****, then come out with it. It could be a nice thread topic, and I'll argue right along side you with the sincere hope my arguments are trounced.
01-11-2017 , 03:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Shadow throne
I think most people just accept the Scandinavian countries have lost the will to keep their culture alive, and have just accepted they are gradually being pushed out of existence by people who do have such will and fortitude
The concepts of welfare and pension were introduced in early Islamic law as forms of Zakat (charity), one of the Five Pillars of Islam, under the Rashidun Caliphate in the 7th century. This practice continued well into the Abbasid era of the Caliphate. The taxes (including Zakat and Jizya) collected in the treasury of an Islamic government were used to provide income for the needy, including the poor, elderly, orphans, widows, and the disabled. According to the Islamic jurist Al-Ghazali (Algazel, 1058–1111), the government was also expected to stockpile food supplies in every region in case a disaster or famine occurred. The Caliphate can thus be considered the world's first major welfare state.[23][24]
01-11-2017 , 03:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Bladesman87
Tooth got the banhammer? And before he got the joke...
BruceZ, exactly. It's a self correcting problem, no need for legislation at all. In so many ways, even without the strong moral argument, it makes sense to give people as much freedom as possible to make their own choices. He won't follow this given his posts above, but others will:

If black performance is equivalent to or superior to white performance, on average, then companies who don't hire blacks based on racism will be hiring workers with lower talent, on average, will do worse than diverse companies, and will eventually be taken over by companies with diverse hiring practices.

If black performance is worse than white performance, on average, then companies who don't hire blacks are making the correct economic decision, and will be hiring workers with higher performance, which means they will grow until an equilibrium is reached where the black workers are hired in the economy at a rate equivalent to color-blind talent.

Thus, in a world where racism in hiring is allowed, a natural race-blind hiring equilibrium (i.e. individuals assessed on talent rather than skin color) will develop anyway through pure economics. Hiring based on color blind talent is precisely the end goal of anti-discrimination laws.

So where is the problem? And why the laws? Especially if, as he claims, most people aren't racist?
01-11-2017 , 03:15 AM
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Originally Posted by 5ive
BruceZ, exactly. It's a self correcting problem, no need for legislation at all. In so many ways, even without the strong moral argument, it makes sense to give people as much freedom as possible to make their own choices. He won't follow this given his posts above, but others will:

If black performance is equivalent to or superior to white performance, on average, then companies who don't hire blacks based on racism will be hiring workers with lower talent, on average, will do worse than diverse companies, and will eventually be taken over by companies with diverse hiring practices.

If black performance is worse than white performance, on average, then companies who don't hire blacks are making the correct economic decision, and will be hiring workers with higher performance, which means they will grow until an equilibrium is reached where the black workers are hired in the economy at a rate equivalent to color-blind talent.

Thus, in a world where racism in hiring is allowed, a natural race-blind hiring equilibrium (i.e. individuals assessed on talent rather than skin color) will develop anyway through pure economics. Hiring based on color blind talent is precisely the end goal of anti-discrimination laws.

So where is the problem? And why the laws? Especially if, as he claims, most people aren't racist?

Again, have to agree with BruceZ here:

No it isn't, any more than objectivism is at odds with shortlisting candidates from Ivy League universities while auto rejecting candidates from community college.

No, they are not. Individualism is at odds with the group mandating choices and beliefs for the individual; it is not at odds with the individual identifying with whom he wishes and categorizing as he wishes.
01-11-2017 , 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by FoldnDark
You do realize you're adding to the stereotype of the progressive self-hating westerner, right? If you actually want to argue that Western values and Western civilization is just ****, then come out with it. It could be a nice thread topic, and I'll argue right along side you with the sincere hope my arguments are trounced.
The point is that the west has come up with great things and terrible things. And people who wish to denigrate non-Europeans tend to only focus on the positives.

If the Nazis had succeeded in conquering Europe, then the "West" looks very different today. The idea that western values and ideals will always improve the human condition is based on a fallacy and a selective view of history.
01-11-2017 , 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
The point is that the west has come up with great things and terrible things. And people who wish to denigrate non-Europeans tend to only focus on the positives.

If the Nazis had succeeded in conquering Europe, then the "West" looks very different today. The idea that western values and ideals will always improve the human condition is based on a fallacy and a selective view of history.
Sure, but I think when we talk of Western values, we reject totalitarianism and fascism, and the war that defeated it is evidence of that. So yes, had the Nazi's won, then Western values would mean something different. But they lost. If you take the term to mean everything ever done in the West, then maybe we should be using a term like Enlightenment values, or something more specific.
01-11-2017 , 10:59 AM
Specific values? Like the value of tolerance, the value of division, the value of honesty, the value of exclusivity, the value of peace, the value of domination...
01-11-2017 , 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by juan valdez
Nobody will touch this. Nice try though. This is the politics section where the left calls stuff and posters racist but they don't actually try to grasp reality, they fabricate it so they have people to hate and reasons to tell themselves they are morally superior. You cant criticize racist muslims, but its such open season on white guys that mtv can just roll out blatant racism and absolutely no fvcks are given

Im actually thinking about starting a thread on this topic but I'm pecking away at my ipad now. The left is so blindly race biased and race obsessed. By their own definition racist, but too blind and morally incompetent to realize it
Agreed that they need to remove their blinders when it comes to the subject of racism.

I might start a thread on Sweden about our rapidly changing political landscape and the effects of mass immigration on our country, updating it when new major developments take place.

I would bet that our right wing party - Swedish Democrats will become our largest political party in our next national election in 2018, the road to that point will be interesting.
01-11-2017 , 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Shadow throne
I think most people just accept the Scandinavian countries have lost the will to keep their culture alive, and have just accepted they are gradually being pushed out of existence by people who do have such will and fortitude
Denmark, Finland and Norway can not be compared to Sweden when it comes to immigration and cultural self loathing. We are the most extreme country in Europe in this regard.
01-11-2017 , 02:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marn
This is an article about how the Swedish Social Democrat leftist youth movement sponsored by state money organizes political events where only people of color are welcome.
Can't find anything in English so far.

http://www.gp.se/nyheter/debatt/rasi...ring-1.3770432

Google translate: actually surprisingly readable.
https://translate.google.com/transla...ring-1.3770432

Also our growing antisemitism is largely ignored or supported by our far left.(also a far right problem, but not in the same scale).

Wikipedia:

"After Germany and Austria, Sweden has the third highest rate of antisemitic incidents in Europe, although the Netherlands reports a higher rate of antisemitism in some years.[8] A government study in 2006 estimated that 15% of Swedes agree with the statement: "The Jews have too much influence in the world today".[9] 5% of the total adult population and 39% of adult Muslims "harbour systematic antisemitic views".[9] The former prime minister Göran Persson described these results as "surprising and terrifying". However, the rabbi of Stockholm's Orthodox Jewish community, Meir Horden, said that "It's not true to say that the Swedes are anti-Semitic. Some of them are hostile to Israel because they support the weak side, which they perceive the Palestinians to be."[10]

In 2010, alleged antisemitism among Muslims in Malmö received media attention after a controversial interview with the then city's mayor, Ilmar Reepalu. In March the same year, Fredrik Sieradzk of the Jewish community of Malmö told Die Presse, an Austrian newspaper, that Jews are being "harassed and physically attacked" by "people from the Middle East," although he added that only a small number of Malmö's 90,000 Muslims "exhibit hatred of Jews."[11]

The population of Malmö began to decrease in the 1970s due to decline of the once-dominant shipbuilding and textile industries. This also led to a decrease in the Jewish population. Sieradzk has stated that approximately 30 Jewish families have emigrated from Malmö to Israel in the past year, specifically to escape from harassment estimating that the already small Jewish population is shrinking by 5% a year. “Malmö is a place to move away from, right now many Jews in Malmö are really concerned about the situation and don’t believe they have a future here” he said, citing antisemitism as the primary reason.[12]
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It was fairly hard to make much of that apart from a reference to what you've said about the Youth movement of the Social Democrats having some silly ideas, but Youth movements everywhere have those.

I had friends in the Young Socialists (when we were young) and some of their ideas were crackpot too. It means nothing.
01-11-2017 , 03:49 PM
Azns cool
01-11-2017 , 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by pokerodox
joke is obv
It's no different to people who come to the US on work visas and are forced to return home at the end. They were not part of the culture that had built the US and (at the time and on average) not capable of contributing in a net productive way. Africans in their home continent at the time were dismal failures in the areas of morality, governance, innovation, large scale social cohesion, work ethic and so many other traits and capacities required for the functioning of society, let alone its advancement, that they were seen as a negative to society, an ill to be tolerated but not encouraged.
01-11-2017 , 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Zeno
True. And the percentage of "some people" is hard to gauge.

I will comment on something else that is not related to what you posted, or not directly. Discussions/debate occur at a great variety of venues. It is a categorical error to equate bars, and other social gathering places, or your home as venues for the sole purpose of political discourse with say, an internet site with a specific political forum, that has whatever nominal posting rules they have, or none at all, etc. The latter has a very specific purpose with supposed freedom of expression, depending on the spectrum of rules the people/owners want; the former is an all together different type of venue(s) where a whole host of different activities are engaged in. And the main purpose is not one of political discourse/debate/discussion and exchange of different worldviews.
The country was built from the minds and efforts of Europeans. You just have to look at Africa to see what their ancestor's descendants would have built for all of their efforts. It was a place where people were hunted to be sold as slaves to rich foreigners (slave traders were mostly black). Africa is not much better today - even with the huge, and I mean huge relative to what they could do, technological know how and investment that has flown from Europeans.

You can provide as much force to a round piece of metal as you do a finely honed one, but only honed ones are able to cut. Intelligence is the honing; effort without extensive intelligent honing is a meaningless and cheap commodity.

Why should someone who never suffered any wrongs get "reparations" for what happened to their ancient ancestors? That's truly an odd and deeply racist concept.

African descendants in the US have a far better life than African descendants in most of Africa. Should they pay extra taxes to the US as "reparations" for the fact that their ancient ancestors got a huge leg up, which they now benefit from? No? Then why reparations for what happened to their ancestors?

You're essentially arguing that the grandchildren of poorly paid McDonalds workers in 1947 - before modern labor laws - should be given some of the ongoing profit of McDonalds. This is obviously absurd. Reparations to far descendants are a truly bizarre concept when not applied with a racist and emotional worldview.
01-11-2017 , 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Shadow throne
I don't know if we have to necessarily go racial. I think the issue we are having is more of a class struggle where the bourgeousie that are pulling the strings are supporting mass immigration and globalization to increase their own $$ at the expense of the proletariat.
Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding!!!

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I am admittedly not super educated in this arena, but it does seem from my naked eye in countries like England and France the 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants are the ones that are radicalized against the west and its values, where in previous immigrations to the US this was the point of assimilation and loss of previous identity. I dont know if this is cause for concern or not.
This is a matter of documented fact

Molyneux talked about it in a recent cast(FDR3553), I forget the word he used that describes the phenomena

Last edited by NoQuarter; 01-11-2017 at 11:42 PM.
01-11-2017 , 11:40 PM
1. Use violence and terrorism rather than academic discussions.
2. Preach “Liberalism” to usurp political power.
3. Initiate class warfare.
4. Politicians must be cunning and deceptive – any moral code leaves a politician vulnerable.
5. Dismantle “existing forces of order and regulation.” Reconstruct all existing institutions.”
6. Remain invisible until the very moment when it has gained such strength that no cunning or force can undermine it
.7. Use Mob Psychology to control the masses. “Without absolute despotism one cannot rule efficiently.”
8. Advocate the use of alcoholic liquors, drugs, moral corruption and all forms of vice, used systematically by “agenteurs” to corrupt the youth.
9. Seize properties by any means to secure submission and sovereignty.
10. Foment wars and control the peace conferences so that neither of the combatants gains territory placing them further in debt and therefore into our power.
11. Choose candidates for public office who will be “servile and obedient to our commands, so they may be readily used as pawns in our game.”
12. Use the Press for propaganda to control all outlets of public information, while remaining in the shadows, clear of blame.
13. Make the masses believe they had been the prey of criminals. Then restore order to appear as the saviors.
14. Create financial panics. Use hunger to control to subjugate the masses.
15. Infiltrate Freemasonry to take advantage of the Grand Orient Lodges to cloak the true nature of their work in philanthropy. Spread their atheistic-materialistic ideology amongst the “Goyim” (gentiles).
16. When the hour strikes for our sovereign lord of the entire World to be crowned, their influence will banish everything that might stand in his way.
17. Use systematic deception, high-sounding phrases and popular slogans. “The opposite of what has been promised can always be done afterwards… That is of no consequence.”
18. A Reign of Terror is the most economical way to bring about speedy subjection.
19. Masquerade as political, financial and economic advisers to carry out our mandates with Diplomacy and without fear of exposing “the secret power behind national and international affairs.”
20. Ultimate world government is the goal. It will be necessary to establish huge monopolies, so even the largest fortunes of the Goyim will depend on us to such an extent that they will go to the bottom together with the credit of their governments on the day after the great political smash.”
21. Use economic warfare. Rob the “Goyim” of their landed properties and industries with a combination of high taxes and unfair competition.
22. “Make the ‘Goyim’ destroy each other so there will only be the proletariat left in the world, with a few millionaires devoted to our cause, and sufficient police and soldiers to protect our interest.”
23. Call it The New Order. Appoint a Dictator.
24. Fool, bemuse and corrupt the younger members of society by teaching them theories and principles we know to be false.
25 Twist national and international laws into a contradiction which first masks the law and afterwards hides it altogether. Substitute arbitration for law.”
01-11-2017 , 11:43 PM
No way you conspiracy theorists!!!

      
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