Who are the "far left"... and other mysteries explained
01-12-2017
, 05:29 AM
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I think the concerns about alt-righters being born again facists probably have some merit, but it comes down to what percent, and what number would actually take up arms or become "brown shirts," etc. Not a trivial concern, but from what I've seem, not a huge portion of the alt right actually fit into either of those baskets. The majority seem to be trollish kids just having fun laughing at SJW's. Take that Louder with Crowder guy, or Gavin McKinnis, Milo, or a number of nonames on youtube. It's tough to tell who actually identifies as alt-right though.
I don't see much real concern about physical violence coming from the SJW side, maybe just a few protests getting out of hand, and yeah there has been an uptick in shootings of cops. Their tactics seem to be more about pressuring organizations and the govt to change, ranging from legit methods of argument and protest, to going overboard with PC, safe spaces, microagressions, victimhood culture, etc, to more illiberal methods of shutting down speech with protests and no-platforming, trying to get school newspapers shut down, and so on. This also ties in with the same attitude that fuels the constant push to ban bigots from 2+2 and shut down PU, so we won't be a "platform for bigotry," as if they get to decide what is bigotry and argument isn't enough to combat it.
On one hand, the facists elements if the alt-right are scarier because they do seem more likely to form militias and revolt (at least before Trump won), on the other hand the illiberal side (maybe Maoist is too strong) of the SJW movement is coming out of the elite universities, where we would expect many of our future leaders to come from. This is why guys like Jonathan Haidt and lots of free speech advocates are so concerned with that movement, I believe - not to say they aren't also concerned with the alt-right. I also think the social justice movement dwarfs the alt-right in size, fwiw, but I'm not sure if I can back that up.
I don't see much real concern about physical violence coming from the SJW side, maybe just a few protests getting out of hand, and yeah there has been an uptick in shootings of cops. Their tactics seem to be more about pressuring organizations and the govt to change, ranging from legit methods of argument and protest, to going overboard with PC, safe spaces, microagressions, victimhood culture, etc, to more illiberal methods of shutting down speech with protests and no-platforming, trying to get school newspapers shut down, and so on. This also ties in with the same attitude that fuels the constant push to ban bigots from 2+2 and shut down PU, so we won't be a "platform for bigotry," as if they get to decide what is bigotry and argument isn't enough to combat it.
On one hand, the facists elements if the alt-right are scarier because they do seem more likely to form militias and revolt (at least before Trump won), on the other hand the illiberal side (maybe Maoist is too strong) of the SJW movement is coming out of the elite universities, where we would expect many of our future leaders to come from. This is why guys like Jonathan Haidt and lots of free speech advocates are so concerned with that movement, I believe - not to say they aren't also concerned with the alt-right. I also think the social justice movement dwarfs the alt-right in size, fwiw, but I'm not sure if I can back that up.
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Last edited by 5ive; 01-12-2017 at 05:38 AM.
01-12-2017
, 06:29 AM
01-12-2017
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01-12-2017
, 10:39 AM
01-12-2017
, 03:38 PM
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He told you what he wanted his thread to be focused on: posters who call others SJW, alt left etc. to speak up about what they mean when they use these terms. The goal is to see how various poster's usage differs (and to see their own definitions, in their own words), and to point out any inconsistencies or absurdities that are uncovered. And maybe to learn something, general interest, pwn fools.
I'm trying to facilitate a productive conversation. However, since it seems to be an issue, Oroku$aki hit the nail on the head.
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... But you seem somewhat offended that there could be a term that broadly describes actual aholes on the social justice left, and so it's like you're trying to pretend all these different examples must mean the term is just worthless, and somehow that will score points and vindicate all the aholes on your team!...
You're making the claim here the peeps who call others peeps SJWers mean to "broadly describe actual aholes on the social justice left". However, you aren't bringing any data to back up this your conjecture. Conversely, 100% of the data ITT make an alternate conjecture: that these peeps who call other peeps SJWers mean to call them hypocrites.
Quite loltastically you keep spewing that I'm not interested in hearing your, or anyone's I guess, conjectures. That's loltastically incorrect. I wanna hear them all... every single last one. The silly ones are golden, like SJWers "forcing" around billionaires. You can't make up this shiz... comic gold.
I'm interested in the serious ones too... because as I've said, I'm trying to facilitate a productive conversation ITT.
What I'm not interested is discussing the veracity of these claims. For example: right now unanimously the data points towards the conjecture that peeps who call other peeps SJWers mean to call them hypocrites. What I'm not interested in is discussing whether or not these peeps who get called SJWers are in fact hypocrites or not.
Another example: it's been said that the those peeps who get called SJWers -and- those peeps who self-identify Alt-Righters "feed off of each other". That may be true. For all I know, they feud like the Hatfields -vs- McCoys. Oh Romeo, blah, blah, blah. I'm not interested in this purported feud ITT. I'm simply interested in identifying who these Hatfields happen to be, and identifying who these McCoys happen to be.
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... those who deserve the [SJWer] label... I think it's probably good there is a quick easy term with the primary function of dismissing that sort of BS in all its forms...
But, again, I am interested in this comic gold. Gee... wouldn't it be "probably good" if there was "quick easy term with the primary function of dismissing" racist "BS in all its forms" too ?
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