What kind of ****ed-up backward-ass high schools do they have in England where anyone in the marching band is popular?

So the gun ban stopped the bombing in 05? Or did the terrorists just find a way to kill?

It's not ignorant to think for yourself, or to want to be different from the country you won independence from. Our ancestors fought and won that independence by killing your ancestors with guns. It is now a part of who we are. We aren't going to give that up because you think we should.

You spend too much time worried about how we govern ourselves. It's sad.

There were no marching bands at school, and if anyone did find themselves in one their head would be popular with the toilet bowl

They were very different attacks by very different types of people. The Boston attackers wanted mass casualties and probably would have done it again. They were Chechen and their cause was freedom for Chechnya.

The Woolwich attackers were local Muslim converts who identified with Muslims being killed as a result of Western military action in other parts of the world. They attacked a "combatant", a soldier, and had no intention of repeating the attack. They waited for the police to arrive.

A big problem with Western perceptions is that completely separate incidents with different aims are conflated into one as the OP has done here. There are 1.6 billion Muslims living all over the world. They do not all have the same issues in the various different parts of the world.

You are a fool Dutch. Boston was by Chechens for Chechnya, 7/7 was by British people against the Iraq invasion.

The only interjection that I have in his thread is that I have been to Bonfire Night in Lewes (in the UK) many times and the explosives there, (thrown right into the crowd!) are the size of M-80's and cherry bombs. These are thrown by both adults and children, with many ensuing injuries.

I have never seen anything close to the danger of this single night, in that little village, anywhere else in the world and I go to festivals all the time. I was told in Washington DC, that this was one of the most primal events on earth and they were right. (Thousands of torch carrying vikings, rolling gunpowder kegs, with every village street on fire, it was amazing!)

The British are not quite as mellow as they pretend to be...

What? Can you back that up, or are you making up facts in your quest to defend Islam from all attackers?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_...nd_backgrounds

They were from Chechnya and that's what was said. What kind of "proof" do you need before you lump everything all together as "Islam" ? It takes breathtaking stupidity and ignorance to lump a quarter of the world's issues into one word as you have just done. To be fair to you Americans and their acolytes tend to do this and that's why we see so much racism and Islamophobia over there.

Did you read the rest of my post where I quoted the evidence that they were doing this as an "Islam vs the US" thing? Just because they are from Chechnya doesn't mean that that was their motivation, unless you can show me a quote from anywhere to support that.

I've provided my evidence. It's your turn to show yours or shut up.

Your evidence is rubbish. You fail to address my point as to why you want to turn every incident no matter where or by whom into a bigoted, quasi-racist "Islam" v US issue. The terrorists were self-identified Chechens who hated the repression going on against the Chechen people. You peddle whatever American propganda you like but the American track record for honesty or accuracy on reporting matters like this is appalling. Agencies like the FBI etc say whatever suits.

I do not and do not want to turn every incident into an "Islam vs US" issue. I reserved judgement on the Boston bombing until the evidence came out. In this case, the bomber himself has said it is "Islam vs the US." I can't believe you're so arrogant as to think that you know better than him what the real motivation was. There's nothing racist or bigoted about not being an idiot.

Show me the quotes stating this. It's easy to call my evidence rubbish while providing none of your own. Just admit that you're making this all up because you're a troll and we can all move on to laughing at Phil.

It's all on the internet (in this case it's from former fellow students etc) and it's not hard to find. The primary gripe these guys had was that the Chechens were being hammered by the Russians. Did you know that every single Chechen who participated in the Beslan attack were people who had lost relatives to Russian killings ?

Please don't get personal it adds nothing to the discussion. Just make some effort to do some research before posting. Phill usually makes some good points. He is one of a pretty small number of posters who actually make some contribution to the forum.

This may or may not be true, but this thread is pretty aidsy.

Is this just a verbose way of saying that you can't provide the evidence? Because if you could, I think you would have already. I can't think of a reason for holding back unless you were just making things up because you're a troll.

No. This forum allows me to yell at you for being the horrible person that you are, and I'm going to take full advantage of that.

He already told you it was all on the Internet, what more do you want?

I am trying to encourage you to find out about the topic before you post. That way we might get a decent discussion. Reading is your friend.

"What can be learned comparing Boston terror attack to London terror attack?"

That American bystanders run away and British ones stay for a chat. That the British police are very reluctant to shoot anyone. The killers had to charge the police cars in order to get shot and even then they weren't shot until they got extremely close. Basically it shows that British people are more civilised.

I did my reading and posted my evidence. If you can't go the same, then we're done here.

It's not a thing in British schools.

Please note that the views expressed in this thread are those of the OP and do not necessarily represent the views of, and should not be attributed to, Britain or its constituents.

Fwiw/ Not a lot of **** is banned here. We can buy fireworks, and we can buy the materials necessary to make our own fireworks (might not actually be legal to buy them for the purpose of making explosives, but it's legal to buy the materials so its basically irrelevant, you can buy that **** on amazon yo). The only banned fireworks are fireworks which have erratic/dangerous flight patterns or, as has been mentioned, firecrackers. These are sensible bans to stop people letting off uncontrollable fireworks in residential areas killing themselves or others. I'm all for liberty, but the idea of 15 year old idiots setting off and dicking about with fireworks does not appeal to me (and due to Guy Fawkes night, that does happen here, so the ban is very necessary).

Mortar shells, really heavy duty stuff (single, large projectiles), are controlled under category 4, meaning you need to be a fireworks professional to posses them. In practice, in the same way that Americans, if their state bans some stuff, can get under-the-counter **** or hop over the border, you can always build your own with minimal difficulty (assuming you're not an idiot and do your research/take proper precautions). I in no way endorse doing so as it is dangerous and irresponsible.

That said, as a film student, obviously I know how to do it and have researched this. One just has to hope you have a first assistant director who is willing to look the other way (or is just totally oblivious)...

We can buy guns too. You need a license, but they're not hard to get (I know plenty of people, young and old, with one). Many people seem to conflate having gun laws of any kind with banning guns. In reality, the UK has no more strict laws banning **** than many US states (some of which really have some terrible laws) and is better than nearly all of developed Europe for this sort of thing (in parts of central and eastern Europe, although most have the laws, they ain't ever gonna get enforced).

Having said all that, even for stuff that isn't restricted, it's easier to get it in the US as it's just so much bigger with a wider range of industries. This applies to a lot of things, not just restricted items. Whenever I've had to buy something unusual for a film's art department or effects, I always find better options in America, be it foam, fur, fuses for homemade fireworks, animatronics, whatever).