Boston USA: 3 killed, 264 injured in the blasts then 1 cop shot and 1 of two terrorists shot and killed with the other shot and injured.

London GB: 1 killed, two terrorists shot and injured.

Obviously I think one thing to draw from this is that British policing is considerably better as they stopped the attackers in 15 minutes total instead of three days. Boston made a few mistakes, for instance they took three days and shut down the city for a long time at vast cost.

I think we can safely conclude that given the high density of CCTV in London the attackers knew they couldnt get away. It is also noteworthy that the Boston attackers had and used guns and bombs. Now obviously high power fireworks are in limited supply to professionals but adequate substitutions can be made with some chemistry knowledge and household materials but the difficulty in doing so obviously made them decide to use a car and meat cleavers instead.

As for guns this again is evidence that the successful ban on guns in Britain is successful, not that it wasnt evident before.

So the lessons I have learned from this attack is thus:

1, the gun ban works
2, the restriction of high power fireworks due to their explosive nature made them less able to construct a bomb and home made grenades to combine with the guns they couldnt get to go on a huge shoot out and grenade throwing rampage
3, CCTV made sure they didnt try to get away unlike in Boston where it took days to find footage from spectators at a major televised event just to work out who they were
4, the police who use guns in Britain are specialists so they are such expert shots that they managed to not kill either one so they can stand trial
5, people were arrested following investigations related to the attack in less than 48 hours, in Boston it took considerably longer just after they caught or killed the attackers, demonstrating our efficiency in questioning suspects even without needing to not tell them of their rights when doing so.

Are there any lessons you learned from these two events and how they contrast so dramatically?

This is so stupid I have to assume you're trolling.


The London murderers stood around covered with blood and holding weapons until the police showed up. It didn't take policework of any kind.

What is ridiculous is that it took over 20 minutes for the police to show up in the middle of the day to a spot in the middle of a populated area.

Phill, if they were shot and not killed they're piss poor shots, not expert by any standard.

Also, there's a British ban on fireworks?

9 minutes for the police. 15 minutes for the gun specialists. According to what I read.

Boston took no policework either according to your theory. They waited until the brothers killed a cop, supposedly confessed to the guy they carjacked, got in a huge shootout off the back of that then some random member of the public found the second one bleeding under a boat in his yard. Hardly the work of British Detective Sherlock Holmes.

Edit, also the FBI had footage of them planting bombs and they didnt find them on facebook where one of the bombers was tagged going to a party the next night and they had to release the footage to the press to get a lead. That is piss poor policing. Lucy Lui would have cracked that **** straight away.

We restrict the most powerful ones, the big rockets that are useful for making pressure cooker bombs. We also banned outright bangers, the small ones you light, throw and they bang, because kids were pretty regularly hurting themselves and others around bonfire night. I was 15 or 16 at the time but IIRC the big story that set off the ban (no pun) was some kids lit some and put them in the hood of another kid as a "prank" that ****ed him up bad.

I think the most important thing to learn ITT is that the British nanny state banned firecrackers.

I'm amazed they haven't banned forks and forced you all to go with plastic "sporks" like inmates use in the US to keep you from stabbing yourselves.

We traded freedom for security and actually got security. Franklin shoulda stuck to the bifocal game and left the security biz to the professionals.

sample to small for useful conclusions

That's why your wealthy businessmen (as well as anyone from Dubai) pays large sums of money for US/Israeli/Aussie security forces when forced to slum it in London for business, amirite?

What kind of panty ass bull**** is this? JFC dude, move someplace reasonable for a couple years and you'll realize how crazy that little rock you call a country is.

lol there's a bunch of states that have fireworks bans

And increase my odds of being killed (not necessarily by fireworks, obv)? Seems like a dumb idea.

The only thing to dislike about Britain is the cost of booze. I guess perhaps the weather, but you get used to the weather. Otherwise the country is awesome.

So, you guys learned nothing from the attacks? Maybe this whole "not learning from things" is why America has such a ridiculously high murder rate?

Gun bans are good and they should feel good

It's like you've never seen a Phill post before.

Or you can compare them to the 2005 London bombings. 52 dead and 700 injured.

please god let ikes find this thread

ITT [Phill] convinces us that his ideology is wrong

London had a lot more attackers and happened in a different time using considerably more sophisticated bombs. It is a two fruit on a seesaw comparison.

However, I think the lessons best learned from comparing 7/7 and the Boston attack is that the decimation of Al Qaeda has left their attack capabilities completely neutered. The Boston attack is a glowing endorsement of the drone strike program, the monitoring of Western travel to the middle east and the extension of the PATRIOT act.

But there are still other lessons to learn, for example America needs to learn the lesson that socialised healthcare is an important part of fighting terror. The fact that the guy who got both his legs blown off had to resort to charity to get prosthetics despite having free market health insurance is clearly immoral. We should fight terrorists with drones but also with ideas.

You "sir" are a terrible "person" and barely a politics poster. You should try to make a point rather than hiding behind your pathetic strategy of lashing out against free thinkers.

We get it, you wish this was still high school and you were still the popular drummer in the marching band so all the cool kids marched to the beat of your drum but life isnt like that anymore. You get no points.

Lol, England.

If you want a police state, I ain't stopping you. #wasneverpopular fwiw

A car was used in this attack. Clearly, England should ban cars as they have guns and fireworks. Perhaps you should ban people, knives, and meat cleavers in England too.

Do you find it strange Phill, that we don't give a flying **** what is or isn't legal in England? Perhaps you could stop giving a **** what happens in America. That would be great.

I don't know. I find abject bans of firecrackers rather amusing.

I'm now curious to know what other mundane **** is banned in the UK.

I do find willful ignorance strange, yes. Its like you and people like you just enjoy being stupid if only they never have to find out that they are.

"Should we find out what works in other countries? No, America#1, no lessons to be learned."