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Originally Posted by LordJvK
The constitution is rooted in learning the lessons of 1,000 years of monarchy in Europe.
In 1651, republicans seized control of government in England, ending the civil war between royaltists and parliamentarians. Oliver Cromwell had Charles I behedded and exiled Charles II.
In 1658 when Oliver Cromwell died ... his son, Richard Cromwell became the new ruler.
Can anyone see what's gone wrong here?
Liberal voices such as John Milton, the architects of the Commonwealth were devastated.
Later, John Locke tried to iron out the problems of what had gone wrong.
The founding fathers of the USA read Locke and tried to put in checks and balances to ensure that the country would not fall into the hands of despotism and that freedom and human rights were protected by law, by constitution.
And now you tell me that reason wasn't at its basis? Proceed. On what grounds do you make this claim?
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Originally Posted by kerowo
Please, continue talking about the roots of democracy and the authority of the constitution, it's exactly on topic and not ****ing stupid.
The thing is, every political discussion boils down in one way or another as to the role of government. There's no way to side-step that, unless you're a liberal mod or something and decide to stick your fingers in your ears and say, lalalala. There's a reason why Ron Paul had to be a Republican. There was essentially no other way to bring the debate on the role of government, or even a limited government view. I mean, I just endured probably the greatest race to the bottom in history, Clinton v Trump, and I'm quiet, and I have fun poking at the candidates, but seriously, there's like nothing rational about these elections at all. An identity politics addict, and a nationalist that made far-right marketable, and a not-so-knowledgeable LPer. But, by all means, everyone bang their head on the left vs. right, because democracy has always been this way, and there's no other solution, and no reason to question the biggest religion of our time, democracy. Check-out, and debate on anti-state.com if you're interested. I'm busy.
I mean, I can look-up and give the history of Russia for the last thousand years, and articulate the status quo, up until the collapse of the Soviet Union. It didn't make it a particularly good model. All these arguments are for the status quo, because it's the status quo.
I'll start a role of
government thread at some point if I can free up time. Extra fudge.
Last edited by leavesofliberty; 02-05-2017 at 10:58 AM.