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Opiates, weed, and Jeff Sessions Opiates, weed, and Jeff Sessions

06-13-2017 , 08:55 AM
Jeff Sessions seems to think the War on Drugs should go on. He wants Congress to let him prosecute people who sell medical marijuana legally (according to their state laws).

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ana-providers/

I think we should all sit back, rip off a nice big bong hit, and then write our congressperson an email asking her or him to tell Jeff to f**k off.
06-13-2017 , 09:00 AM
yeah i agree drug war is the dumbest war we've ever fought.
06-13-2017 , 09:06 AM
Maybe we should remind Jeff sessions that perjury is just as illegal as drug use
06-13-2017 , 09:11 AM
I concur. This war is complete BS and a total waste of taxpayer money. I am heavily invested in the Cannabis industry and this would devastate my ROI. That generation is too head strong and probably won't be convinced of its benefits both to health and states financials. Irony is that the older generation is among the higher percentages of users.
06-13-2017 , 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
Maybe we should remind Jeff sessions that perjury is just as illegal as drug use
Yeah, he's a real scumbag. He probably doesn't think perjury applies to people like him.

Even the republicans are pushing back on his idiocy.

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Through a spokesman, Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R.-Calif.) said that "Mr. Sessions stands athwart an overwhelming majority of Americans and even, sadly, against veterans and other suffering Americans who we now know conclusively are helped dramatically by medical marijuana."
06-13-2017 , 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by onemoetime
I concur. This war is complete BS and a total waste of taxpayer money. I am heavily invested in the Cannabis industry and this would devastate my ROI. That generation is too head strong and probably won't be convinced of its benefits both to health and states financials. Irony is that the older generation is among the higher percentages of users.
Are you invested in weed directly or the peripherals?
06-13-2017 , 10:42 AM
Prohibitionists can become addicted to it.
06-13-2017 , 11:03 AM
Sessions must have his phalanges in the pharmaceutical pocket. The war on drugs is a lost cause. Legalize all drugs, people will do them regardless and if someone wants to pay the tax on a bag of heroin or meth and OD, well we need to thin out the overpopulated herd anyway. Every drugstore should have a picture of Darwin on their sign.
Wouldn't be surprised too is hypocrite Sessions enjoys a beer, or glass of wine every once in a while. And I think any logical adult can tell you if weed or alcohol is better, or less dangerous.

Marijuana FTW!!!
06-13-2017 , 11:36 AM
This would be a huge step back. The war on drugs has been such a complete, unmitigated disaster.

It's ironic (sad!) that Republicans ***** about limited government and states rights when it suits them (gay marriage,bathroom bills (lol)) and then have no problem with the federales coming in and busting up pot shops that are operating legally under their state's laws.

I was watching some Lock Up on Netflix, and there's some quote out there about you can tell a lot about a country from its prison system. The American prison system is a disgrace, tantamount to cruel and unusual punishment.

One of the easiest ways to improve conditions would be to reduce the population, and one of the easiest ways to accomplish that would be to end the War on Drugs. Shameful.
06-13-2017 , 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by auralex14
This would be a huge step back. The war on drugs has been such a complete, unmitigated disaster.

It's ironic (sad!) that Republicans ***** about limited government and states rights when it suits them (gay marriage,bathroom bills (lol)) and then have no problem with the federales coming in and busting up pot shops that are operating legally under their state's laws.

I was watching some Lock Up on Netflix, and there's some quote out there about you can tell a lot about a country from its prison system. The American prison system is a disgrace, tantamount to cruel and unusual punishment.

One of the easiest ways to improve conditions would be to reduce the population, and one of the easiest ways to accomplish that would be to end the War on Drugs. Shameful.
Im actually in favor of legalizing or at the very least decriminalizing all drugs.


I think people are starting to wake up due to the massive amounts of revenue and tax being brought in by just legalising weed.

The amount of money that is pouring into the hands of drug dealers that could instead be taxed and poured into inner city schools and be used to give free or even subsidized collage education. The easier it is for kids from deprived areas to get educated the less likely that will be sent to prison.

Portugal decriminalized (not legalized) drugs and saw massive benefits including less addicts and even the right wing politicians wouldn't go back to the way it was.

I think if the money was used correctly people in the poorest areas would benefit the most.
06-13-2017 , 01:41 PM
I'll just take the first two, please.
06-13-2017 , 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Gustafson26
Sessions must have his phalanges in the pharmaceutical pocket. The war on drugs is a lost cause. Legalize all drugs, people will do them regardless and if someone wants to pay the tax on a bag of heroin or meth and OD, well we need to thin out the overpopulated herd anyway. Every drugstore should have a picture of Darwin on their sign.
Wouldn't be surprised too is hypocrite Sessions enjoys a beer, or glass of wine every once in a while. And I think any logical adult can tell you if weed or alcohol is better, or less dangerous.

Marijuana FTW!!!
I'm all for legalizing weed and have been since the 80s. I used to be all for legalizing all drugs, but dude, some of them are so ****ing scary now that i don't want my kid to ever be exposed to them or think that he has a choice about it. Right now, it's virtually impossible for him to be exposed to meth or heroin unless he went looking for it. Even then, it would be really hard to find. If it were legal, then the temptation to try it would be much stronger. And sometimes, all it takes is one hit, and you're done.

Weed is enough. Nobody needs heroin, except Jerry Garcia and look what it did to him.
06-13-2017 , 05:10 PM

Last edited by AllCowsEatGrass; 06-13-2017 at 05:16 PM.
06-13-2017 , 05:11 PM
I'm down for the bong rip for Jeff Sessions.

Here's to you, boy.

*rip*
06-13-2017 , 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Black Peter
Weed is enough. Nobody needs heroin, except Jerry Garcia and look what it did to him.
What people feel they need to use is a different issue entirely than what should happen to users of any drugs.

Should someone go to jail for injecting a liquid into their own veins? Should they go to jail for ingesting 50 hamburgers in a row?

Neither are healthy, but only one is penalized.
06-13-2017 , 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
What people feel they need to use is a different issue entirely than what should happen to users of any drugs.

Should someone go to jail for injecting a liquid into their own veins? Should they go to jail for ingesting 50 hamburgers in a row?

Neither are healthy, but only one is penalized.
This is too reductive. Heroin, meth, etc have a much worse and different kind of impact on people's lives than hamburgers. These are not the same kind of public health issues and I wouldn't expect the response to them to be the same. That of course is not to say that prohibition is the right response to either, but I don't think a society that sells fast-food heroin is what any of us want.
06-13-2017 , 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by AllCowsEatGrass
I'm down for the bong rip for Jeff Sessions.

Here's to you, boy.

*rip*
Back at ya. I'm about as ripped as can be right now. Life is gut.
06-13-2017 , 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
What people feel they need to use is a different issue entirely than what should happen to users of any drugs.

Should someone go to jail for injecting a liquid into their own veins? Should they go to jail for ingesting 50 hamburgers in a row?

Neither are healthy, but only one is penalized.
I agree. I don't want to send users to prison. I want them to be treated as decently as we'd treat anyone else.

But heroin dealers need to just die.
06-13-2017 , 08:51 PM
New release-

06-13-2017 , 09:07 PM
This is the part where I remind you that the civil war was about states rights.
06-14-2017 , 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Original Position
That of course is not to say that prohibition is the right response to either, but I don't think a society that sells fast-food heroin is what any of us want.
Possibly Scotland.
06-14-2017 , 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Black Peter
I'm all for legalizing weed and have been since the 80s. I used to be all for legalizing all drugs, but dude, some of them are so ****ing scary now that i don't want my kid to ever be exposed to them or think that he has a choice about it. Right now, it's virtually impossible for him to be exposed to meth or heroin unless he went looking for it. Even then, it would be really hard to find. If it were legal, then the temptation to try it would be much stronger. And sometimes, all it takes is one hit, and you're done.

Weed is enough. Nobody needs heroin, except Jerry Garcia and look what it did to him.
you are naive if you think heroin is hard to get. have you noticed the opiate epidemic that is raging throughout the country? and, even easier to get than heroin is the opiate pills that oxy and perc which is pretty much the same as heroin.

Last edited by Victor; 06-14-2017 at 07:15 AM.
06-14-2017 , 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Victor
you are naive if you think heroin is hard to get. have you noticed the opiate epidemic that is raging throughout the country? and, even easier to get than heroin is the opiate pills that oxy and perc which is pretty much the same as heroin.
It is very difficult to find where I live, and virtually impossible in the circles he runs in. I cannot speak for the rest of the country.

I am aware of the epidemic. It's very sad to see the personal and societal destruction that it's causing. I don't think legalizing opiates would relieve that epidemic.
06-14-2017 , 11:11 AM
Peter,

You do realize opiates already are legal, right? Just because a Dr. prescribes it doesn't make it any better. Yea, you may not know what is in the heroin fully, but they are both still opiates and both can kill you very easily.

Example, not trying to be disrespectful, but hypothetically...
What if one of your kids had an injury that required some form of an opiate to cease the pain? What if they had to take that opiate for an extended period of time, say 2-4 months due to unbearable pain? They could easily get hooked on opiates and when their refills run out, an addict (thanks to the gubment) will seek out that fix and to think that they wouldn't know how to get their hands on something like heroin is being naive. I have seen this scenario play out a couple times in real life to kids that I knew and were friends with I would never expected to even say the word heroin. Dead before 30 because of that sh*t. People get hooked very easily and slowly turn into an addict.

I don't really have a solution, but decriminalizing all drugs would be a start. That gives the people wanting help somewhere to reach, assuming that there would be a better treatment option put into place at that point. Then talk about legalizing them to get TAX money from them instead of the criminals from lining their pockets.

Addicts gonna addict and nobody will stop them unless they take that first step. So let em do it till their heart stops. It's called personal responsibility, not a disease.

EDIT: I also believe weed should be worldly 100% legal, it's a GD plant that has never had 1 recorded OD in the history of the world. But that hamburger analogy is perfect.
Why is someone making a personal choice such as taking heroin being jailed when it is their body and their life, but someone can go out and drink 24 redbulls in an hour(caffeine can kill you), or smoke 10 cartons of cigs in a day(lol cigs), or go tanning at 4 times a day for max time at different locations(cancer), or eat fast food for breakfast, lunch, and dinner for a year(very bad for you), or drinking 20 gallons a water in a day(overdose drinking water and die)?
All of the above are obviously bad for you and could kill you, but why is one worse than the other? Alcohol is legal, I could go buy enough booze right now to cause a whole football team to drink themselves to death, but for some reason alcohol is celebrated, but is one of the most addictive drugs on the market.
This country and world are so back asswards its crazy and frustrating.

Last edited by Gustafson26; 06-14-2017 at 11:27 AM.
06-14-2017 , 11:34 AM
Yes, i understand what opiates are and that there are legal ones as well. I figured it was obvious that i was referring to the illegal ones that are not used for medicinal purposes. I guess i wasn't very clear.

I also understand accidental addicts. They can be opiate related, benzo related, etc. As i said previously, i would never want to punish the addicts, whether accidental or not. I would want them to be treated just like anyone else deserves to be treated. With dignity and respect. I have no idea how to cure them. I really feel sorry for them.

It's a tough topic.

      
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