I experienced the exact same thing with the moon landing. Due to me being born when the moon landing hoax took place I was a believer but then over the years so many people talked about the moon landing so matter-of-factly it came across arrogant and condescending. I had no choice but to support the Soundstage Landing because those landers were so annoying.

More convenient than magic "gravity" that lets people stand upside down?

Discuess.

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It's hard to know whether they are actually Christian, or hard-core trolls. I think hard-core trolls. Watch the Bill O. interview with them for epic lolzyness. It'd be easier to know if Christians weren't riddled with extreme levels of denial.

Turtles Island.

If the turtles were on top, the top turtle could be named yertle.

Lotta cool off topic pics and distraction stuff..

Anybody debunk this crazy flat earth stuff yet for that free $10k?

No. Everyone knows it's a totally legit offer, realised flat Earth logic is unassailable, and is now a believer.

Seems so

If I were as smart as most everyone on this site and knew for a fact the world was round , Id be all over that free $10k..but I aint smart, so

Guess the worlds flat..meh

Well, I realized I didn't post my postmortem after finishing the video.

My main takeaway is, debunk what?

It's a sorta happy accident this falls in line with my general approach towards analyzing pv8.8, as in, people getting overly verbose whilst never actually making a claim (wil et al et al). I kept waiting for the part I was supposed to debunk but it never came. If it was simply the earth curvature tests they've been debunked for over 100 years at this point. It was wholly insubstantial and there was never a point where an official claim-to-be-debunked was presented.

I've never looked into flat-earthery enough to know their woo, but what's the point?

With the 9/11 nutters I can at least follow their reasoning as to why the government wants to increase control, start a few wars, etc. I have no idea what the benefit is of ****ing up everybody's maths by lying about the shape of the Earth.

I wouldn't be that surprised if it turned out Mrs. Betty Bowers was behind the whole scheme.

Anyone prove the earth is round yet?

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Jumping on the #FlatEarth wagon!! GO Flat Earth GOGOGO!!

you can easily tell that the earth spins since the furniture slides down the wall and onto the ceiling at night

Wait, people out there thought that Mac was the smart one in Always Sunny?

I <3 Zack Hemsey though, so I'm convinced.

"Truthers" don't share all the same ideas. I don't think the government did 9/11, but I also don't think they have made the case that AQ did- like they haven't made it at all. Within that lack of a case there is a lot of evidence which would seem to be significant which the government's conspiracy theory (accusing AQ) simply ignores. Although I don't know who carried out the attack, my guess is that neither the U.S. government proper or AQ did it.

I consider you to be an intelligent poster. Maybe you can be the first poster to make intelligent arguments in support of the government's AQ conspiracy theory in the 9/11 thread. In all those pages, I submit to you, one can count on one hand the number of decent arguments which challenge, even a little bit, the prima facie case that the buildings were controlled down.

I believe that the earth is round. I believed this when I was young because authorities told me it was thus and so. I figured they knew and that it was a matter which could be demonstrated. When I took an intro astronomy course in college we went over several ways to demonstrate that the earth is, in fact, round. Learning that was actually significant in my view. While the average person on the street believes, correctly, that the earth is round, I would guess that less than 3 in 100 could "prove" or give solid evidence of it. Same for atomic or germ theory.

But the shape of the earth, atomic theory, and germ theory all fall into a category of phenomena which are known to be experimentally verifiable. So we can believe in these ideas confidently without being able to prove them ourselves because we know that many other people can access the means to prove (or disprove) these theories, and that we could ourselves if we were so inclined.

This principle does not generally hold when it comes to crimes and their investigations. And when it comes to terrorism or other possibly paradigm shifting events it is even less true that the means to establish the truth of the claim are widely available. Sometimes the evidence is presented; sometimes it isn't. We all saw plenty of convincing evidence that OJ killed his ex-wife. That evidence wasn't made widely available for re-verification but it was presented and we can be reasonably sure it wasn't all made up. The government's case against AQ for the 9/11 attacks however, has offered no such presentations of evidence. The government's "case" is nothing but an endless string of assertions which is made to appear convincing at a casual glance when actually it is barren of substance literally everywhere.

Of course, the 9/11 episode is a mutational hot spot for all sorts of crazy, baseless theories. And people like NoQuarter, who seems to believe the earth is flat, will jump all over 9/11. Don't take the views of people like No Quarter or the citation level of the 9/11 report as definitive indicators of the truth of the government's case. I invite you to see what happens when you actually try to verify either the government's case or figure out why their case ignores so many hugely anomalous observations.

Well, if you hoped I would rehash the 9/11 argument with you then I'm going to be a disappointment. On one level, I'm not well versed any more on the issue. I remember looking into it with as much depth as I could handle years back (I was a bit of a tin foil hat wearer in my teens), but I really don't remember it well enough to go into anything like the depth you've gone before. It would involve me going into levels of physics and engineering I'm not qualified to handle. On another level, I'm just not interested enough.

But I think you hit on my intended targets:

So I'm not necessarily including you or people like you questioning an "official" narrative as nutters. The reason I picked 9/11 as my example is because it's very easy to imagine a coherent motive. I'm not going to ask you to speculate on or establish that, but even something mundane like saying the government is hiding part of the story for national security reasons is entirely plausible. And even the more sinister motives are at least understandable given the US doesn't have a crystal clean history when it comes to treatment of its own citizens, never mind further abroad.

That's what fascinates me about the flat-earthers. There's no coherent motive. Every country in the world is colluding on this conspiracy so that NASA gets a bigger budget? WTF is that?

So my point, more simply put, is to agree with you that I do put 9/11 truthers (nutters or not) in an entirely different category to the flat-earthers.

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Wtf is wrong with you?

I think that whenever there is an apparent disconnect between sensory information and accepted group knowledge it can evoke a general mistrust in certain people so predisposed. It's easy to imagine how this distrust could arise from a genetic or cultural basis, or both.

I mean, human beings who always trust other human beings pretty much don't exist- at least not with normally functionally mental faculties. Anyone like that would have been thinned out by evolution quite some time ago. Human beings are scheming manipulators, and so I would guess that the level or sort of trust we give to others probably has some genetic component and exist on a continuum which has evolved with our social evolution. You don't want to be too trusting because you simply can't survive like that, while being too suspicious is part of more common forms of insanity.

Obviously the flat earthers don't have the whole plot worked out, or even any of it. They seem to opt for a social world that doesn't make sense over a piece of information that doesn't appear to make sense. Trust issues in my estimation.

In line with what you say about mistrust, I have a hypothesis that everybody buys into at least one conspiracy. Talk to someone for long enough and you'll eventually get to a "Sure, the rest of it's bull**** but the Bilderberg group are definitely behind X". The UK sitcom Peep Show did a wonderful take on this where Mark finally finds a woman with the same beliefs as him until they see crystal skulls in a shop (google Peep Show - Crystal Skulls, but youtube's got it blocked on copyright in the UK). And it makes sense, because the world is full of known propaganda and conspiracy theorists often hit on grains of truth (as with many of the Bilderberg theories).

And then you come across the occasional type who buys into every conspiracy theory. These are the types that approach something pathological. From the ones I've come across, these are the only ones who ever seem to get into flat-earthery.

#FlatEarth

Well there are a lot of mainstream promoted conspiracy theories which are believed by masses of people while not at all properly evidenced. Instead of using the government's 9/11 conspiracy theory that AQ did 911, I will cite a more current example in conspiracy theory that the Trump campaign worked with Russia to, as Hillary Clinton put it, "weaponize" the Wikipedia leaks. The theory is somewhat vague. Try as I might, I can't get anyone to actually articulate just what exactly the Trump campaign supposedly did for their part. I think that when people try to articulate it they realize how dumb it sounds and just abandon the effort. Nonetheless, the idea that the Trump campaign and Russian operatives got together and hacked the DNC to take down HRC is a conspiracy theory which is entirely baseless, ridiculous on it's face, and believed by millions of people, including by elites from the now displaced networks which held a lot more power just a few months ago.

Conspiracy theories are used very effectively by those with the ability and inclination toward controlling the thinking of the population. They can invent preposterous conspiracy theories by using trusted institutions to spout them, thus conferring legitimacy onto ridiculous nonsense. On the other hand, they use the conspiracy theorist charge like a bludgeon against those who question what they are doing. I think they are aided in these efforts by the fact that, on a deep level, people do not want to know some truths because such knowledge would be severely socially destabilizing. There is a scene in the movie V for Vendetta where one guy asks another whether they would want to know if the government was responsible for a deadly, terrorist false flag operation. This is a critical question.

It's not difficult to see that there was a criminal conspiracy to deliver the state of Florida to Bush in 2000. Perhaps some of the illegal efforts there simply paralleled each other along a shared goal, but some were obviously highly coordinated. It's basically an open secret that Ohio was stolen from Kerry in 2004. But what would that have meant if people accepted those conspiracies as true? That we would break into violent conflict over the difference between Bush and Gore or Bush and Kerry?

I was surprised to find out that Kyrie Irving believes the earth is flat (he's a famous athlete here). And it is extra depressing because it publicly demonstrates the partial truth of the theory of conspiracy theories put forth by the establishment (See Cass Sunstein for the ultimate establishment take on conspiracy theories) in the context of the internet/information age. Yes, we will see people fall into to bull**** echo chambers and be convinced of utter nonsense. And yes, we will see people become even more entrenched in their nonsense the more they are debated, regardless of the quality of the debate. But the establishment will use that critique of the less critical thinkers to bludgeon serious, substantial conspiracy charges against them.

The earth is round. The US government is full of corrupt warmongers