Al qaeda did it and top politicans/ neoliberalas in USA( or who ever the f is on/was in control), let it happened, so they could use the attack for their political agendas.
Proof is the actions taken by USA after the attack.

Yep & the UK

The word “terrorism” in the hands of western governments has been deprived of all consistent meaning other than “that which challenges our interests”

Like today when a British lower court has ruled that London police acted lawfully in employing an anti-terror statute to detain and interrogate David Miranda for nearly nine hours at Heathrow Airport last summer, even while recognizing that the detention was “an indirect interference with press freedom.”

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2...-conceal-gchq/

The word you're looking for is "neocons"

I acknowledged in the post that I am not familiar with what types of objects survive when a plane explosively disintegrates when smashing into a giant building.

But just look at the video and consider the speed of the plane and the massive fireball. I mean, that must have been one hell of a laminate job lol.

There is no doubt that the Bush administration and about the whole range of plutocrats were absolutely delighted that the attack happened. They rolled out their schemes to capitalize on the event with preternatural readiness, as if they were simply holding them behind their back waiting for this to go down. Just guessing here but the 911 attacks might have precipitated one of the biggest transfers of money (from the american people to the rapidly expanded "security" complex) in the history of the world. So you had a tremendous growth in concentrated power at the top alongside a straight raiding of the treasury. That's a pretty strong motive.

But it is NOT a proof. Even with the position papers written by those in power at the time which fantasize about a "Pearl Harbor like event" you still don't have proof. When Bush includes 9/11 in his quote about "hitting the trifecta" he could very well mean getting lucky. After all, there are terrorists out there who hate us and want to kill us. Don't let the evil of the neocons blind you to the other evils in the world.

No reason to call me a liar. If I am wrong about some fact it's because I believed it to be true but it isn't. That happens sometimes.

A better question than why would the government plant a passport is why plant a Saudis passport instead of Iraqis or some other country. If they were going to fabricate a terrorist crew why would they all be from an ally instead of from a target nation or spread out to tap into a generalized fear campaign against muslims wherever in order to justify our stepped up aggression across the middle east region?

The passport is obviously not "random" btw, in any event. If it was planted I would assume the purpose would be to plant or reinforce the idea that a particular group of people were responsible. This would be expected under a range of possible conspiracies theories, not just the "hit by missles" conspiracy theory.

I'm not a truther. In a literal interpretation you're a truther because you think you know the truth. I'm an untruther.

SOP procedure for truthers is to point out some apparent contradictions and proceed to splice them to together into some grand theory ala colonel mustard and a candlestick. I don't do that. This is an anonymous message board where I say what I want, which is a lot more than I say in public. If I believed a conspiracy (like you do) I would argue it and defend it, as this is something I obviously like to do on a range of issues. With the things I say and defend, I obviously don't care if I am thought of as being on the fringe.

So what about the put options spike and the refusal to release all the footage of the pentagon?

Pretty sure it was the commies

Amazing.

Another bald faced lie.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Just_asking_questions

Again, dude, none of this **** is true.

Deuces, what steps have you taken to investigate the "put options"?

Why the quotations? The story about the put options ran on the news in the days (or weeks maybe) after 911. That's when I learned what put options are, from like Brian Williams. Don't act like the put options are some conspiracy factoid when the **** was on mainstream television.

I haven't investigated the put options but rather just surveyed other peoples' investigations. I heard the reports on the news and maybe I googled them once or twice in the years afterwards. I am of the opinion that they indicate advanced knowledge of the attacks. Obviously this doesn't prove at all who did it or that the government knew about the attacks.

This is my approximation of the investigation process of 9/11. Comments or suggestions are welcomed:

-worst attack ever

-let's not do an investigation says gubmint

-people outraged at no investigation

-Kissinger recruited to lead investigation (everyone here cool with that tho right?)

-outrage at Kissinger leading investigation (nothing says transparency like the presence of Kissinger)

-Kissinger opts out because he doesn't want to disclose who he works for lol

-911 commission gives a report focusing on how much our intelligence sucks (the equivalent of pointing their fingers and saying put more money in here, here and in there)


Does anyone think WTF when Kissinger is planted at head of this commission? Or is that the wild unfounded concern of a conspiratard in your expert opinions?

Deuces, for once, why don't you try to articulate a positive statement about what you think happened or what your vague concerns are instead of just asking questions.

No, there's nothing WTF about a distinguished former Sec of State being tapped to lead an investigation. Him not wanting to disclose details about his consulting business sounds like typical Washington sleaze.

Can you try to connect the dots for us? Start at Kissinger, go to passport found in the wreckage, end at rubble being hauled away to NIST.

Like, why is the onus on me to concoct your wild conspiracy theory for you? OK Kissinger was tapped to lead the investigation because he was totally in on the inside job that was 9/11, but then he had to bail out because... man I dunno, the Jews or something. And then they planted a fake passport to fool people even though there's no way a passport could have survived the impact. Then they hauled all the incriminating wreckage off to China. Because that's exactly what I would do with incriminating evidence, I would hand it off to our biggest adversary.

Yeah, no. I'm gonna stick with Al-Qaeda flew a plane into a building.

Not being American, I'm really not sure how Americans view 9/11, but from my point of view, and many people outside of the US, it was at the very least a suspicious event.

That doesn't imply that the US bombed itself, but at the very least there are things that were not revealed to the general public.

Things like building 7, the Pentagon, NORAD, the commission report, etc., all point to something else besides what the official story reported. At the very least it's strange, but a lot of people seem to think that by suggesting there are some unanswered questions, you are automatically suggesting that it was planned and perpetrated by the US Government.

Does anybody agree that the event had some strange and perhaps unanswered questions surrounding it? Or is the consensus that Al Qaeda flew some planes into a couple of towers and the Pentagon, and that's all there is to it?

At least the JFK conspiritards could come up with their own theories. People are just lazy these days.

The rubble was hauled away to China.

What I have articulated is that the proper way to look at 9/11 is with agnosticism. I don't have any conspiracy theory. For clarification I should mention I also don't think it really matters that much who was behind it. It is interesting to discuss because it's so multifaceted with so many unexplained results. I mean it's interesting to discuss which is crazier- building 7 rigged with bombs or the elaborate complex explanation dreamed up by government engineers in the absence of the physical evidence. But 9/11 happened, whether it was Al Qaeda, the Saudis, Pakistan, the neocons, some sinister network of elites with common interests or colonel mustard with the candlestick. We reacted by restricting rights of the victim population and by invading Afghanistan and Iraq. The reaction is the important part.

You are cool with Kissinger heading up the commission. That says something about you. You must be either just unconsciously ignorant of history or like a candidate for becoming the progenitor of a class of pliant, and subservient citizens clones to replace the unruly people who dare to read and, occasionally, think.

Did I say there is no way a passport could survive the impact? No. I said I doubt it could. Presumably the passport would be on the hijackers person in a pocket, not scotch taped to the wing of the plane. Again, I can't say it's impossible. I can see loose objects being blown out but that particular passport? blown off of the person of someone whose body was consumed in fire? Some things are fishy man. If you can't admit that finding that particular passport intact is fishy you are just hopeless, just unable to think outside a very narrow slit. The better argument is yeah, it is fishy, but it doesn't mean much in a vacuum and when crazy, never before seen **** happens it begets unexplained results.

When you appoint Kissinger to head an investigation, you are saying that you intend a coverup. Could be Bush trolling the public hard. After all he was the president who "delighted" in who his enemies were. It could be Bush et al not wanting to be exposed in a official capacity, as they should have been, under the official account of the attacks, as criminally negligible. It's hard to know exactly how to interpret the appointment other than wanting to keep people uninformed and misinformed.

Almost half the country thinks the 911 commission was a cover up. Among New Yorkers, about half think that the U.S. knew about it in advance and consciously let it happen. The consensus position is that there are truths about 911 being intentional withheld, whether they are small matters or significant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion...#United_States

World opinion is especially interesting. About a quarter of Germans think the U.S. government carried out the attacks. In Egypt, 43% think that Israel was behind it. A quarter of the world doesn't know (my position).

I don't know about your time line, but I can assure u that middle eastern terrorist groups (if there is such a thing) had nothing to do with the controlled demolition of the twin towers.

If there was no element of truth in what i've been saying, then there'd be no need for a response like this. People use ad hominem attacks in what seems to be sheer emotional reflex, without actually considering the obvious factual evidence that is presented to them.
Dude, you're talking about a passport, one of the most trivial pieces of disinformation that was thrown out there, no pun intended, as a way to reinforce the aeroplane narrative.

It's been 12 years since 9/11 and u are still playing right into the perpetrators hands as u talk about the official verdict/fake narrative/false evidence as if it's some how relevant. There was no aeroplanes involved in the destruction of the twin towers, this is evident from the digitally produced videos.

Another thing, u mention Kennedy, the Zapruder film is another fake, even back then they were capable of faking videos so as to depict some type of real life happening.
Take another look at my post from earlier itt.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...1&postcount=16
It seems as though the utube vid I uploaded has been removed from this site but u can find it if u go direct to utube.

U can still see the print screen that I took from that video anyway, does that pic showing half a plane as it enters a building depict reality?

LOL more lies. You learned about them from Loose Change.

Another lie. You googled and didn't get down to the second result?
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/putcall.asp

You were never interested in the put options foreknowledge theory(which, uh, ties in with the fishy passport... how?), you were interested in getting people to admit that they couldn't answer your question(s). Because if you were interested, you would've googled, and then you wouldn't have questions anymore. And that's no fun at all.

Dip****, you people are playing from a very old script. Conspiritards overwhelm the normals by asking about a barrage of random different things and when they don't have an answer to each and every one of the questions, well, VICTORY.

Again, my question to you is what steps have you taken to investigate "NORAD"(???) or whatever? My guess is nothing besides watching some truther Youtubes.

There's a lot more to it in like global politics and history and hist. But yes, that's clearly what happened on that day. What competing theory explains the events better than the Al Qaeda one?

I mean, in this thread, truther morons(when they aren't sparring over whether there were planes at all) are JAQing off about goddamn debris from inside the plane being found outside of the plane after the plane exploded. The conspiritard mindset is very well understood, dude.

The thought that a group of folks in various countries around the world could pull off 9/11 is difficult to believe. Some of the post 9/11 Bin Laden videos have been alleged to be fake. And of course, where is Bin Ladens body? I think the folks around the world who have been hurt by Bin Laden/Al Qaeda deserved to see the body.

One has to wonder how Al Qaeda, which almost certainly will go down as a drop of water in the ocean years from now, was somehow able to pull off the WTC attack.

Al Qaeda is a loose organization which is alleged to have groups around the world as opposed to operating in one country, this is what makes the situation with AQ so volatile.

alleged

Interesting stuff here,

Btw fun fact: Bin Laden never ever called his 'terror boy crew" Al Qaeda. It was Americans who invented this name for his terrorist organisation after the USA embassy bombings and Bin Laden just went with the flow...